Transcript of the GOP Michigan Primary Debate at Calvin College January 10, 2000 courtesy of Closed Captioning Services. A Word Document is also available.
An alternate version is available through the NY Times.
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1 PT P P TIM RUSS TO THEEL CALVIN CAMPUS FOR THIS
2 EVENING’S REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, WHICH IS
3 COSPONSORED BY THE MICHIGAN STATE AND KENT COUNTY
4 REPUBLICAN COMMITTEES.
5 WOOD TV 8 AN CALVIN COLLEGE.
6 CALVIN IS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FOR ITS DISSTINTELIVELY
7 CHRISTIAN AND ACADEMIC LIBERAL ARTS EDUCATION.
8 FOR 125 YEARS, THE COLLEGE HAS PREPARED AND MOTIVATED
9 STUDENTS FOR LIVES OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.
10 THEY ARE MOTIVATED FROM EXPERIENCES OUTSIDE THE
11 CLASSROOM, EVERYTHING FROM PROJECTS OFF THE COMMUNITY
12 TO OFF CAMPUS PROGRAMS IN CHINA, WASHINGTON D {CHX} TO
13 FURTHER THIS OBJECTIVE.
14 TONIGHT’S DEBATE IS ANOTHER SUCH EDUCATIONAL, A
15 CONGREGATION THAT IS CENTRAL TO OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
16 >> WITH SUZANNE GEHA AND RICK ALBIN.
17 NOW, HERE IS NBC NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF AND
18 MODERATOR OF "MEET THE PRESS," TIM RUSSERT.
19 >> GOOD EVENING.
20 FIRST, LET’S MEET THE CANDIDATES.
21 GARY BOWER.
22 JOHN McCAIN.
23 GEORGE W.
24 BUSH.
25 STEVE FORBES.
26 ALLAN KEYS.
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1 AND ORRIN HATCH.
2 GENTLEMEN, WELCOME ALL.
3 (APPLAUSE)
4 AND OUR PANEL ELIST FROM WOOD TV 8, SUZANNE GEHA AND
5 RICK ALBIN, WELCOME BOTH.
6 (APPLAUSE)
7 THERE WILL BE THREE SEGMENTS TONIGHT, THE FIRST
8 JOURNALIST WILL ASK THE CANDIDATES QUESTIONS.
9 THE SECOND, THE CANDIDATES WILL ASK EACH OTHER
10 QUESTIONS, AND THE THIRD, WE ARE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM
11 THE STUDENTS OF OF CALVIN COLLEGE.
12 THE FIRST CAN QUESTION IS FOR GOVERNOR BUSH.
13 GOVERNOR BUSH, STEVE FORBES HAS AN AD RUNNING ON
14 TELEVISION RIGHT NOW, WHICH SAYS THE FOLLOWING: "THERE
15 IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT GEORGE W.
16 BUSH.
17 IN 1994, HE SIGNED A PLEDGE WITH MY ORGANIZATION THAT
18 HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT SALES TAX OR BUSINESS TAX
19 INCREASES IN 1997, HE BROKE HIS PLEDGE.
20 HE PROPOSED, PROPOSED AN INCREASE IN THE BUSINESS TAX
21 AND SALES TAX AND THEY PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION WITH
22 YOUR SIGNATURE.
23 IS THAT, IN FACT, AN ACCURATE STATEMENT?
24 >> WHAT IS ACCURATE IS THAT I LED MY STATE IN 1997 TO
25 THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN TEXAS HISTORY.
26 THE TRUTH IS THAT I LAID OUT A PLAN THAT CUT A BILLION
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1 DOLLARS OF PROPERTY TAXES.
2 I BROUGHT REPUBLICANS TOGETHER WITH DEMOCRATS.
3 AND I SIGNED THAT TAX CUT.
4 I THEN TOOK THAT RECORD TO THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF
5 TEXAS IN THE COURSE OF THE 1998 CAMPAIGN.
6 IN MY STATE, NO GOVERNOR HAD EVER BEEN ELECTED TO BACK
7 TO BACK FOUR-YEAR TERMS.
8 I CAMPAIGN ON MY RECORD.
9 NEARLY 70 PERCENT OF THE TEXAS VOTERS CONFIRMED THAT
10 RECORD.
11 50 PERCENT OF THE HISPANIC POPULATION SUPPORTED ME.
12 NEARLY 30 PERCENT OF THE OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
13 COMMUNITY SUPPORTED ME.
14 THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS LOOKED AT MY RECORD AND SAID WE
15 WANT HIM TO BE THE GOVERNOR AGAIN, AND IN THE 199
16 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, I PROPOSED AND WAS ABLE TO ENACT
17 AND SIGN THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN OUR STATE’S HISTORY,
18 REPLACING THE $1 BILL BILLION RECORD WITH NEARLY $2
19 BILLION IN TAX CUTS.
20 I AM A TAX-CUTTING PERSON.
21 I KNOW HOW TO GET IT DONE.
22 I HAVE LAID OUT A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO CUT THE RATES
23 ON EVERYBODY IN AMERICA, A PLAN THAT IS CONSERVATIVE,
24 AND A PLAN THAT IS COMPASSIONATE.
25 >> I’D LIKE TO GIVE MR. FORBES THE SAME HE QUESTION.
26 YOU PUT THE AD ON THE AIR.
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1 IS IT ACCURATE?
2 WHY IS IT ACCURATE?
3 AND SHOULD YOU ARE HAVE ALSO MENTIONED THAT OF GOVERNOR
4 BUSH DEHE CREASED TAXES AS WELL AS PROPOSING THIS
5 BUSINESS AND SALES TAX, IF THAT’S THE CASE?
6 >> AS YOU NOTICED FROM THE ANSWER, THERE WAS A LOT OF
7 HEDGING ABOUT THIS PLEDGE.
8 THE PLEDGE WAS MADE IN 1994.
9 I HAVE A COPY OF IT HERE SIGNED BY GOVERNOR BUSH
10 PROMISING NOT TO RAISE THE SALES TAX OR PROPOSE ANY
11 KIND OF INCOME TAX.
12 CLEARLY, WHEN HE PROPOSED THIS BILL IN 1997, IT DID
13 HAVE PROVISIONS FOR TAX INCREASES, INCLUDING INCREASING
14 THE SALES TAX.
15 SO MARY WILLIAMS, THE HEAD OF THAT ANTI-TAX GROUP IN
16 TEXAS IS RIGHT.
17 SHE STANDS BY HER STATEMENT AND WE STAND BY HER.
18 PLEDGES SHOULD NOT BE LIGHTLY MADE, AND A PLEDGE IS A
19 PROMISE AND A PROMISE MADE IS A PROMISE KEPT AND A
20 PROMISE SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A TRINKET TO WIN THE
21 ELECTION.
22 AND YOUR OWN DAVID BLOOM FRIDAY NIGHT REPORTED, HE SAID
23 THAT THE GOVERNOR’S OWN STAFF ADMITS THAT HE BROKE THE
24 PLEDGE.
25 IN FACT, IT WAS THE STATE REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE
26 SENATE IN TEXAS THAT THREW HIS PROPOSAL OUT AND PUT IN
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1 A SIMPLIFIED BILL IN ITS PLACE.
2 SO THE AD IS ACCURATE.
3 I THINK THAT’S WHAT MAKES AMERICAN PEOPLE CYNICAL ABOUT
4 POLITICS.
5 PLEDGES ARE MADE AND QUICKLY FORGOTTEN AFTER THE
6 ELECTION.
7 AS FOR THE 1998 ELECTION, GIVEN THE OPPOSITION AND
8 GIVEN THAT YOU ARE A GOOD GUY, I SUPPORTED YOU.
9 I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR YOU, BUT YOU DID BREAK THAT
10 PLEDGE.
11 >> GOVERNOR BUSH RESPONDS.
12 >> I THINK ONE THING THAT MAKES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
13 CYNICAL IS NEGATIVE ADVERTISEMENT ON TV.
14 THAT IS ONE THING THAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO TURN AWAY FROM
15 POLITICS AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO
16 FOLLOW POLITICS NEED TO LOOK AT THE RESULTS.
17 THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT.
18 WHAT WERE THE RESULTS?
19 AND THE RESULTS ARE PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE
20 RECEIVED A SUBSTANTIAL TAX CUT UNDER ME AS THE GOVERNOR
21 OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, AN THEY WILL DO SO IF I BECOME
22 THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AS WELL.
23 >> SUZANNE GEHA HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.
24 >> SENATOR McCAIN, YOU HAVE ATTACKED GOVERNOR BUSH’S
25 TAX PLAN.
26 YOU SAID 60 PERCENT OF HIS TAX CUT WILL GO TO THE VERY
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1 WEALTHY AMONG US.
2 ON "MEET THE PRESS" YESTERDAY, I HAPPENED TO BE
3 WATCHING—I KNOW TIM RUSSERT WILL LIKE ME FOR
4 PLUGGING THAT—BUT YOUR CHIEF SUPPORTER,
5 REPRESENTATIVE LINDSAY GRAHAM AGREED THAT YOU ARE
6 PLAYING A CLASS WARFARE GAME, THAT YOU ARE PITTING RICH
7 AGAINST POOR, SOMETHING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DOES NOT
8 LIKE TO DO.
9 DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING?
10 ARE YOU GOING TO RETHINK YOUR STRATEGY OR ARE YOU GOING
11 TO CONTINUE THIS LINE OF ATTACK?
12 >> I ARE HAVE NEVER ENGAGED IN CLASS WARFARE.
13 I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF TAX CUTS FOR MIDDLE INCOME
14 AND LOWER INCOME AMERICANS.
15 I’M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT A KIND OF OF CLASS WARFARE
16 THAT’S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
17 IT’S UNFORTUNATE.
18 THERE IS A HE GROWING GAP BETWEEN THE HAVES AND HAVE
19 NOT’S IN AMERICA.
20 THAT {FWAP} IS GROWING AND IT IS UNFORTUNATELY DIVIDED
21 UP ALONG ETHNIC LINES.
22 I FEEL ARE VERY STRONGLY THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE MIDDLE
23 INCOME AND LOWER INCOME TAXES AND WE WILL BE GETTING
24 INTO IT, I’M SURE, LATER ON IN THIS PROGRAM,.
25 MINE ARE BASICALLY COMPARABLE TO GOVERNOR BUSH’S IN
26 SOME CASES FAR BETTER BUT I’M NOT SURE WE NEED TO GIVE
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1 2/3’S OF THAT TAX CUT, OF THAT MONEY TO THE WEALTHIEST
2 TEN PERCENT OF AMERICA, AND THAT’S WHAT TAX NOTES, A
3 WELL RESPECTED TAX JOURNALIST SAYS IS THE CASE THIS
4 MORNING.
5 BUT THERE IS A MORE IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE
6 HERE.
7 I BELIEVE WE MUST PAY IS SOCIAL SECURITY.
8 WE MUST PAY DOWN THE DEBT.
9 WE HAVE TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN MEDICARE.
10 FOR US TO PUT ALL OF THE TAX CUTS, ALL.
11 SURPLUS INTO TAX CUTS, I THINK, IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE
12 EFFORT.
13 I THINK IT’S A MISTAKE.
14 I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THAT MONEY INTO ALLOWING
15 AMERICANS TO BE SURE THAT THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM
16 WILL BE THERE WHEN THEY RETIRE, THAT WITH MEDICARE’S
17 HELP AND MOST OF US, LET’S PAY DOWN THAT $5.6 TRILLION
18 DEBT WE HAVE LAID ON FUTURE GENERATIONS OF OF
19 AMERICANS.
20 >> RICK ALBIN HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.
21 >> MAY I?
22 I FEEL AS IF MAYBE WE OUGHT TO PAUSE?
23 >> THE REASON HE ASKED IS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MY PLAN.
24 >> 30 SECONDS FOR REBUTTAL.
25 >> THANK YOU.
26 I BELIEVE EVERYBODY OUGHT TO GET A TAX CUT.
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1 I BELIEVE IT’S IMPORTANT TO CUT THE TOP RATES.
2 I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO DROP THE 39.6 TO 33 PERCENT.
3 I ALSO KNOW IT’S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WHO ARE
4 ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF POVERTY GET A TAX CUT AS WELL, AND
5 MY PLAN DOES BOTH.
6 I HAVE A PLAN THAT TAKES $2 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN
7 YEARS AND DEDICATES IT TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
8 MY PLAN HAS BEEN CALLED RISKY BY VOICES OUT OF
9 WASHINGTON.
10 IN MY JUDGMENT, WHAT’S RISKY IS THE WAY THEY SPEND
11 MONEY IN WASHINGTON.
12 GUESS WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN?
13 IT’S GOING TO BE SPENT ON BIGGER FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS.
14 >> SENATOR McCAIN, A REBUTTAL?
15 >> SURE.
16 TWO QUICK POINTS: YOUR TAX PLAN OVER THE NEXT FIVE
17 YEARS NOT ONLY SPENDS ALL OF THE SURPLUS, IT SPENDS $20
18 BILLION IN ADDITION TO THAT.
19 BUT THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW IF THE MONEY IS LEFT IN
20 ORDER TO SALVAGE THE SOCIAL SECURITY DEBATE FOR
21 AMERICAN MEDICARE AND THE DEBT, YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND
22 THE ROLE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
23 THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL VETO BILLS,
24 WILL REVETO BILLS THAT SPEND TOO MUCH.
25 THIS PRESENT PRESIDENT IS VETOING BILLS THAT DON’T
26 SPEND ENOUGH AND ARE FORCING CONGRESS TO SPEND MORE.
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1 I’LL VETO BILLS THAT FORCE CONGRESS TO SPEND LESS.
2 THAT IS WHAT BEING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS
3 ALL ABOUT.
4 >> RICK ALBIN HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.
5 >> SENATOR HATCH, IN WEST MICHIGAN RECENTLY, AT LEAST
6 TWO PUBLIC LIBRARIES HAVE WRESTLEELED WITH THE IDEA OF
7 INTERNET FILTERING, THAT IS COMPUTERS USED IN LIBRARIES
8 AND SHOULD BE FILTERED TO KEEP PORNOGRAPHIC SITES OFF
9 THE COMPUTERS?
10 THE QUESTION IS: SHOULD THOSE COMPUTERS BE FILTERED OR
11 IS THAT AN INFRINGEMENT ON FIRST AMENDMENT FREE SPEECH
12 RIGHTS?
13 >> I DON’T THINK IT IS EVER AN INFRINGEMENT TO STOP
14 PORNOGRAPHY AND OBSCENITY AND OTHER TYPE OF TRAMP AND
15 PREVENT IT FROM OUR CHILDREN.
16 WOO VERY DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR CHILDREN THAN ADULTS.
17 WHAT WE RETRYING TO DO IS PROTECT CHILDREN, NOT ADULTS.
18 I HAVE TO SAY THAT I DON’T THINK THAT’S A PROBLEM.
19 BUT LET ME JUST—AND I’M FOR FILTERING TECHNOLOGY,
20 CERTAINLY, THE V-CHIP AND OTHER AP PROVES IS TO HELP
21 PARENTS GET ON TOP OF THIS FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
22 LET ME GET ON TOP OF THIS TAX THING SINCE I THINK IT IS
23 IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US.
24 LOOK, THERE ISN’T ONE OF US UP HERE WHO ISN’T GOING TO
25 TRY TO REDUCE TAXES.
26 THERE ARE SOME OF US, IN FACT, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT
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1 HE ME, FOR AN EXAMPLE, WHO REALLY PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE
2 IN REDUCING MARGINAL TAX RATES FROM 70 PERCENT DOWN TO
3 28 PERCENT BY 1986.
4 WE’RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT IT.
5 I HELPED DO IT.
6 I WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO CARRIED THAT MESSAGES TO
7 PRESIDENT REAGAN.
8 AND HE CARRIED THAT MESSAGES ALL OVER WASHINGTON.
9 THE PROBLEM IS—AND I AGREE WITH GOVERNOR BUSH.
10 HE IS SETTING ASIDE 2/3’S OF THE PROJECTED SURPLUS FOR
11 SOCIAL SECURITY, BUT HE IS MAKING A VERY GOOD POINT.
12 THAT IS, YOU LEAVE THIS MONEY IN WASHINGTON.
13 I GUARANTEE YOU, THOSE GUYS WILL SPEND IT.
14 I GUARANTEE IT WILL K BOTH REPUBLICANS AN DEMOCRATS,
15 ALTHOUGH LESS REPUBLICANS, NATURALLY.
16 >> MR. BOWER, BEFORE YOU START TALKING ABOUT TAXES,
17 WOULD YOU TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT INTERNET
18 FILTERING.
19 THE SENATOR MEANINGED ADULTS {NX} THESE CASES,
20 PRESUMABLY, THE FILTER WOULD ALSO APPLY TO ADULTS
21 BECAUSE THEY ARE ON ALL COMPUTERS.
22 SHOULD ADULTS BE FILTERED AS WELL.
23 >> YOU KNOW, I HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ON TAXES, AND I’M
24 GOING TO RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO TAKE APART GOVERNOR
25 BUSH AND STEVE FORBES’ TAX PLAN AND EXPLAIN MY OWN.
26 WE WILL DO THAT A LITTLE LATER.
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1 I STILL HAVEN’T READ YOURS YET, JOHN.
2 I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING AT
3 THE END OF THE DAY MAY BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR TAX
4 PLANS.
5 NOW, ALL OF US IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DO WANT TO LOWER
6 TAXES.
7 THAT BATTLE HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN WON IN THE REPUBLICAN
8 PARTY.
9 WHAT I DON’T THINK HAS BEEN WON IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
10 IS WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO DEFEND TRADITIONAL
11 CONSERVATIVE VALUES.
12 THAT’S WHERE WE OVERWHELMINGLY GET OUR VOTE.
13 OVERWHELMINGLY, THE PEOPLE THAT WILL PUT ONE OF OF US
14 BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE WILL DO SO BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE
15 IN CONSERVATIVE TRADITIONAL VALUES.
16 OF COURSE WE OUGHT TO TAKE PORNOGRAPHY OFF THE STAGE OF
17 THIS COUNTRY, WHETHER IT’S CHILDREN OR ADULTS.
18 IT EXPLOITS WOMEN.
19 IT EXPLOITS CHILDREN, AND I WOULD SAY TO MY PARTY, IT
20 BETTER FIND ITS VOICE ON THINGS LIKE THIS, AND IN
21 OPPOSITION TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AND IN DEFENSE OF THE
22 SANCTITY OF LIFE, OR IT WON’T MATTER HOW MUCH WE WANT
23 TO CUT TAXES, BECAUSE THE COUNTRY CANNOT SURVIVE
24 ANOTHER TEN YEARS OF THE VALUES MELTDOWN IT IS IN RIGHT
25 NOW.
26 (APPLAUSE)
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1 >> AMBASSADOR KEYS, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A SHOT AT
2 IT, BUT I WOULD ONCE AGAIN LIKE TO REFRAME IT.
3 IN FREE SPEECH TERMS, DO PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT,
4 PRESUMABLY UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND SHOULD THEY
5 BE GIVEN THAT RIGHT ON THESE COMPUTERS?
6 >> I DON’T THINK IT IS A FREE SPEECH ISSUE IN THIS
7 CASE.
8 IT IS AN ISSUE OF PUBLIC DECENCY.
9 ANYPLACE YOU LET OUR CHILDREN INTO OUGHT TO BE SUBJECT
10 TO STANDARDS OF OF PUBLIC DECENCY THAT MAKE IT CLEAR
11 THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE POLLUTED WITH GARBAGE.
12 DON’T USE THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS AN EXCUSE TO DESTROY
13 OUR CHILDREN’S LIVES AND SOULS T DOESN’T HAVE TO BE,
14 BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU SET UP A STRAW MAP, EASY AS PIE
15 TO PUT COMPUTERS IN A ROOM YOU DON’T HAVE CHILDREN IN
16 AND LET ADULTS HAVE ACCESS TO.
17 YOU CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEMS IF YOU WANT TO.
18 THE LIBRARIES ARE EGREGIOUSLY IGNORING THEIR
19 RESPONSIBILITY TO THE KIDS TRYING TO CLAIM FREE SPEECH
20 RIGHTS.
21 I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, MY KIDS DON’T ARE HAVE THE
22 RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND THEY DON’T NEED TO HAVE IT
23 UNTIL THEY’RE GROWN UP!
24 AND ALSO, I’D LIKE TO ALSO ADDRESS QUICKLY, THIS TAX
25 QUESTION, WAIT A MINUTE—NO, LISTEN . THIS IS A PHONY
26 ISSUE.
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1 YOU STAND HERE TO THESE FOLKS BEING THE GATEKEEPERS OF
2 OF YOUR MONEY, TELLING HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO LET
3 YOU KEEP AND YOU DON’T FEEL HUME ILL YATED, AND YOU
4 OUGHT TO.
5 THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE TAX RATE.
6 IT IS NOT FUNNY.
7 WE HAVE GIVEN AWAY CONTROL OF OUR MONEY.
8 WE HAVE SACRIFICED ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF OUR
9 LIBERTY AND IT WILL STAY SACRIFICED AS LONG AS WE HAVE
10 ANY FORM OF INCOME TAX AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
11 IT SHOULD BE ABOLISHED!
12 >> THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR SENATOR McCAIN.
13 SENATOR, LAST MONTH, AN INDIAN AIRLINE WAS HIJACKED.
14 155 PASSENGERS TAKEN HOSTAGE.
15 THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT NEGOTIATED FOR THE RELEASE OF
16 THOSE HOSTAGES AND ALLOWED THE FIVE HIJACKERS, PLUS
17 RELEASED 3 TERRORISTS WHO HAD BEEN IN PRISON, AND
18 ALLOWED THEM TO GO FREE.
19 IF AN AMERICAN AIRLINE WAS HIJACKED, WOULD YOU EVER
20 NEGOTIATE WITH THE HIJACKERS, AND ALLOW THE RELEASE OF
21 OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN PRISON IN ORDER TO SAVE
22 THE AMERICAN LIVES?
23 >> I WOULD NOT.
24 >> NEVER?
25 >> NEVER.
26 >> NEXT QUESTION.
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1 (APPLAUSE)
2 >> BY THE WAY...
3 >> LET ME CONTINUE THE SCENARIO THAT HAS, IN FACT,
4 PLAYED OUT IN LEBANON.
5 IF THE HIJACKERS BEGAN TO SHOOT THE AMERICAN PASSENGERS
6 ONE BY ONE, YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO HE REFUSE TO
7 NEGOTIATE?
8 >> I WOULD, BUT I AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT I COULD HAVE
9 TAKEN HE SEVERAL MEASURES THAT WERE NOT TAKEN.
10 I THINK IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR
11 SITUATION, IT A {FROUT} WITH MORE RAMIFICATIONS THAN
12 JUST THE HIJACKING. ONE, THEY LANDED IN AFGHANISTAN, A
13 FRIENDLY GOVERNMENT TO THE COUNTRY OF PAKISTAN,
14 AROUSING SUSPICIONS AS FAR AS PAKISTAN AND THE AFGANS
15 BECAUSE IT STOPPED TO REFUEL ON THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE
16 AND NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF AGAIN.
17 I WOULD HAVE MADE SURE IT WAS NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF
18 AGAIN.
19 >> HOW?
20 >> BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE HAD MY PEOPLE TRACKING THE
21 FLIGHT WHEN IT WAS ON THE VARIOUS LEGS AND PREVENTING
22 IT FROM TAKING OFF BY SHOOTING THE TIRES ONCE IT WAS ON
23 THE GROUND.
24 I WOULD HAVE HAD GALVANIZED AMERICAN FORCES IN THAT
25 AREA.
26 >> A COMMANDO OPERATION?
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1 >> ABSOLUTELY.
2 FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD HAVE HAD MY AIR FORCES FLYING
3 WING ON THAT THING.
4 AS SOON AS IT LANDED IT WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN OFF AGAIN
5 AND NOT ARE HAVE REACHED AFGHANISTAN.
6 THE SEC THING THAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS ISSUE, EVEN
7 THOUGH PERHAPS YOU DON’T IMPLY IT IS THAT THIS IS
8 GROWING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO A FLASH POINT BETWEEN TWO
9 COUNTRIES THAT HAVE DEVELOPED NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND THAT
10 ARE MOVING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO A BRINKSMANSHIP
11 SITUATION WHICH IS IN VIOLATION OF OUR NATIONAL
12 SECURITY INTEREST.
13 AND IT IS IN OUR INTEREST TO DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER
14 TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME SETTLEMENT OF THE KASHMIR
15 PROBLEM, BECAUSE THAT IS THE GENESIS OF MOST OF THESE
16 DIFFICULTIES THAT ECONOMIST BETWEEN THOSE TWO COUNTRIES
17 A SUZANNE GEHA, PLEASE.
18 >> GOVERNOR BUSH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU THAT SAME
19 QUESTION: WOULD YOU BE AS EMPHATIC AS SENATOR McCAIN,
20 WOULD YOU EVER TRADE HOSTAGES FOR PRISONERS?
21 >> NO, I AGREE WITH JOHN McCAIN.
22 HE HAD THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT ANSWER.
23 THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT NEGOTIATE
24 WITH TERRORISTS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
25 HE GAVE A GOOD ANSWER.
26 >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION: GOVERNOR
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1 BUSH, ATLANTA BRAVES PITCHER, JOHN ROCKER GAVE A
2 VENOMOUS INTERVIEW TO "SPORTS ILLUSTRATED" RECENTLY
3 SPEWING HATRED TOWARDS GAYS, BLACK, SINGLE MOTHERS AND
4 FOREIGNERS.
5 AS A FORMER OWNER OF A BASEBALL TEAM, THE TEXAS
6 RANGERS, AND AS A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU
7 DEFEND ROCKER’S RIGHT TO SAY WHATEVER HE WANTED, SHORT
8 OF MAKING A THREAT, OR WOULD YOU SUPPORT AND REQUIRE
9 HIM TO UNDERGO PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING OR WOULD YOU CALL
10 FOR HIS FIRING OR DEMOTION?
11 >> I THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE YOU WERE GOING TO BRING UP
12 THE SOSA TRADE.
13 >> I HEARD THAT WAS YOUR ONE BIG REGRET.
14 >> FOR THE RECORD, GOVERNOR, HAROLD BANES SAYS IT WAS A
15 GOOD TRADE AND THAT’S WHY YOU GOT OUT OF THE BUSINESS.
16 >> I APPRECIATED HAROLD BANES’ KIND GESTURE.
17 >> JOHN ROCKER.
18 >> LISTEN, I THINK THIS IS A CASE OF A FELLOW WHO NEEDS
19 HELP, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE ATLANTA BRAVES
20 ARE GETTING HIM COUNSELING, BUT THIS IS A WORLD OF—
21 IN ATHLETICS, THIS IS A WORLD OF SOME YOUNG MEN WHO
22 MAKE A LOT OF MONEY WHO AREN’T RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR
23 BEHAVIOR.
24 WHAT I’D LIKE TO DO AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
25 IS USHER IN THE RESPONSIBILITY ERA SO THAT EACH
26 AMERICAN, WHETHER YOU BE A BASEBALL PLAYER OR ANYTHING,
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1 WHERE THE UNIFORM OF THE UNITED STATES ARE RESPONSIBLE
2 FOR THE ACTIONS YOU TAKE IN LIFE, THAT EACH OF US MUST
3 UNDERSTAND WITH CERTAINTY THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
4 THE DECISIONS WE MAKE, AND IT STARTS, BY THE WAY, WITH
5 HAVING A PRESIDENT WHO BEHAVES RESPONSIBLY IN THE OVAL
6 OFFICE.
7 (APPLAUSE)
8 >> GOVERNOR BUSH—
9 >> YES.
10 >> DO YOU THINK IT IS FAIR TO ORDER SOMEONE TO UNDERGO
11 PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING IF THAT INDIVIDUAL SAYS SOMETHING
12 THAT IS SO OFFENSIVE?
13 >> I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT MADE SENSE TO DO SO AND I
14 APPRECIATE WHAT THE ATLANTA BRAVES HAVE DECIDED TO DO.
15 >> A HARVARD PROFESSOR TODAY CAME OUT WITH...
16 >> CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
17 >> IT’S YOUR ALMA MATER.
18 >> IF SHE HAD SAID A CALVIN PROFESSOR, I WOULD HAVE
19 BEEN LISTENING!
20 (APPLAUSE)
21 >> THIS HARVARD PROFESSOR CAME OUT TODAY, PAUL WHILER,
22 I BELIEVE IS THE WAY YOU PRONOUNCE HIS NAME, AND HE
23 SAID FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOES NOT APPLY IN THE PRIVATE
24 SECTOR.
25 IF HE HAD BEEN PLAYING FOR A STATE UNIVERSITY AND HE
26 HAD SAID THAT, THEN HIS RIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN
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1 PROTECTED.
2 DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
3 >> I THINK THAT—I DON’T KNOW THE PARTICULARS ABOUT
4 THIS PARTICULAR PERSON.
5 I THINK THE BRAVES MADE THE RIGHT DECISION THOUGH.
6 I MEAN, THEY KNOW THE MAN BETTER THAN YOU AND I DO.
7 THE FELLA SAID SOME INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE THINGS.
8 HE IS A PUBLIC PERSON, AND I APPRECIATE THEM TRYING TO
9 GET THE MAN HELP.
10 I UNDERSTAND IN AMERICA WE CAN SAY WHAT WE WANT TO SAY,
11 BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IF THE MAN NEEDS HELP HE
12 SHOULDN’T GET IT.
13 I APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS TO PROVIDE PSYCHOLOGICAL
14 COUNSELING FOR HIM.
15 >> AND PERHAPS THEY SHOULD HAVE HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL
16 COUNSELING FOR SOME TEAM OWNERS AS WELL WITH IS SOME OF
17 THEIR STATEMENTS THEY ARE HAVE SAID ABOUT RELIGION IN
18 AMERICA.
19 >> AMBASSADOR KEYS, LET’S TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE
20 SIX-YEAR-OLD CUBAN BOY, ELIAN GONZALES.
21 THE INS SAYS HE SHOULD GO BACK TO CUBA TO BE WITH HIS
22 FATHER.
23 TODAY, A LOCAL JUDGE IN MIAMI SAID SHE WOULD KEEP HIM
24 HERE UNTIL A HEARING COULD BE HELD MARCH 6th.
25 SENATOR BURTON ISSUED A CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENA TO THAT
26 SAME THING, TO LET ITS WORK ITS WAY THROUGH THE COURTS.
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1 MY QUESTION IS TO YOU: ANY NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
2 ONE: SHOULD REPRESENTATIVE BURTON HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED
3 IN THIS, SHOULD THE COURTS GET INVOLVED WITH THIS?
4 IS THE INS THE FINAL AUTHORITY?
5 AND SHOULD THIS YOUNG BOY GO HOME?
6 >> I WOULD LIKE FIRST OF ALL, THE COURTS AND THE REST
7 OF US SHOULD CERTAINLY BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
8 IF SOMEBODY HAS COME SEEKING SANCTUARY AN FREEDOM IN
9 AMERICA, I THINK WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THE HEART
10 OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS GOING TO BE WITH SOMEONE
11 SEEKING THE FREEDOM AND OPPORTUNITY IN THIS COUNTRY,
12 COMING OUT OF THE SHADOW OF ONE OF THE WORST TYRANNIES
13 ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
14 BUT AS I ARE HAVE ALWAYS SAID, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS
15 AS IF IT WERE NOT JUST A POLITICAL FOOTBALL.
16 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A YOUNG BOY.
17 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FATHER, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO
18 RESPECT THAT FATHER’S WILL AND THAT FATHER’S HEART IF
19 WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT IT IS, BUT THE PROBLEM HERE, OF
20 OF COURSE, IS IF YOU ARE LIVING UNDER THE SHADOW OF
21 TYRANNY, HOW DO I KNOW THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TODAY
22 IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN, NOT WHAT YOU ARE
23 BEING FORCED TO BY ONE OF THE WORST TYRANTS THAT HAS
24 EVER EXISTED ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH?
25 THAT’S ARE WHY I SAID THE OTHER DAY WHAT I SAY NOW: I
26 THINK THAT BOY SHOULD STAY IN FREEDOM UNTIL HIS FATHER
20
1 CAN MAKE A {N} ASSURED DECISION IN FREEDOM.
2 WHEN WE ARE SURE OF THAT, THEN I THINK IT IS OUR
3 OBLIGATION TO RESPECT THOSE FAMILY TIES, BUT I WILL
4 TELL YOU SOMETHING: I AM NOT A BETTING MAN, BUT I AM
5 WILLING TO WAGER IF CASTRO LETS HIM OUT, HE IS NOT
6 GOING TO BE TOO ANXIOUS TO GO BACK.
7 THAT WAY, THE WHOLE FAMILY CAN STAY IN FREEDOM IN
8 AMERICA.
9 >> MR. FORBES.
10 >> MR. FORBES, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU, AND SHOULD THE
11 INS RULING BE OVERTURNED?
12 >> I THINK ALLAN PUT IT VERY WELL.
13 UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ADMINISTRATION PUTS SOME PRESSURE
14 INITIALLY ON THE INS AND WANTED THIS BOY TO BECOME BILL
15 CLINTON’S HUMAN SACRIFICE TO FIDEL CASTRO.
16 CLINTON WANTS BETTER RELATIONS WITH CUBA, IE CASTRO,
17 BUT CASTRO IS A TYRANT, AND TO SEND THIS BOY BACK UNDER
18 THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD BE A STAIN ON AMERICA, A
19 STAIN ON OUR VALUES AND PRINCIPALS.
20 WE WOULD NO MORE SEND A CHILD BACK TO HITLER’S GERMANY
21 NY OR STALIN’S RUSSIA THAN WE SHOULD CASTRO’S CUBA.
22 IT IS WRONG, PROFOUNDLY WRONG.
23 I HOPE THE COURTS MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION, AND THAT
24 FATHER SHOULD BE AL LOUED TO GO OUTSIDE OF OF CUBA AND
25 MAKE THE DECISION IN A NON-COERCIVE ATMOSPHERE.
26 LET ME JUST, SINCE I HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT AND CAN’T LET
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1 IT GO, LET ME JUST SAY ON THE TAX ISSUE THAT WHAT SAVED
2 MY GOOD FRIEND GEORGE BUSH IN 1997, THE ORIGINAL BILL
3 WAS SO CON VOL LUTED, THE ORIGINAL REPUBLICANS DID A
4 BREAK OF PLEDGE BUT MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE
5 STATE LEGISLATURE THOUGHT AT THE END OF DAY ACTION
6 MIGHT END IN A TAX INCREASE SO THEY THREW IT OUT.
7 >> SENATOR HATCH, I AM GOING TO CONTINUE WITHOUT TAXES,
8 WITH ELIAN GONZALES.
9 GOES HOME, ADDRESSES THE INS OR GOES TO THE COURTS?
10 >> LET ME SAY THIS TO YOU.
11 I HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN THE POSITION OF SOMEBODY WHO HAS
12 BEEN IN COURT, WHO HAS THOUGHT FOR CHILDREN.
13 I ARE HAVE FOUGHT FOR CHILDREN THE WHOLE TIME I HAVE
14 BEEN IN CONGRESS.
15 I PASSED THE {CHILTDZ} CARE DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT
16 THAT ONE PARTY TRIED TO PASS FOR 20 YEARS.
17 I JUST LEARNED TODAY THAT THE CHILD HEALTH INSURANCE
18 PROGRAM BILL THAT I PUT THROUGH.
19 I HAVEN’T HAD ONE GOVERNOR SUPPORT ME, NOT EVEN MY OWN
20 GOVERNOR.
21 HAD VERY FEW MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS.
22 THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND HE DIDN’T GET
23 IT.
24 EVERY GOVERNOR TODAY CLAIMS THAT IT IS HIS OR HER BOOL.
25 GEORGE PATAKI TOLD ME IT WAS THE GREATEST PIECE OF
26 LEGISLATION HE HAD EVER SEEN, AND IT SHOWS THE
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1 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE
2 STATES, SO I KIND OF HAVE A REPUTATION IN WORKING WITH
3 CHILDREN.
4 BESIDES HAVING SIX CHILDREN OURSELVES AND 19
5 GRANDCHILDREN.
6 THERE IS ONE ISSUE AND THAT IS: WHAT IS IN THE BEST
7 INTERESTS OF THIS BOY?
8 THAT IS THE ISSUE.
9 THE INS SHOULD NOT BE MAKING THAT DECISION.
10 SENATOR SMITH WAS DOWN THERE THIS LAST WEEKEND AND HE
11 CALLED ME BEFORE HE WENT TO SEE THE BOY.
12 HE WAS INVITED BY THE FAMILY.
13 HE SAID WHAT SHOULD I DO?
14 I GAVE HIM ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS.
15 HE IS ASKED THEM.
16 HE CAME OUT "THE BOY {WANGTSZ}S TO STAY HERE."
17 I THINK CONGRESSMAN BURTON DID THE RIGHT THING TO SEND
18 THAT SUBPOENA BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS THE YOUNG MAN TO STAY
19 HERE.
20 I UNDERSTAND A LETTER AS A RESULT OF SENATOR SMITH’S
21 CONVERSATIONS SUGGESTING TO THE INS THAT THEY BETTER
22 NOT LET THIS BOY GO UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT IS IN THE
23 BEST INTERESTS OF THE CHILD.
24 WITH REGARD TO THE FATHER, HE IS MARRIED AND HAS A
25 FAMILY OVER THERE.
26 IF CASTRO ALLOWS HIM TO COME, HE IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW
23
1 THAT FAMILY TO COME.
2 IF THAT FAMILY DOESN’T COME, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT FATHER
3 IS GOING TO STAY HERE.
4 LET’S DO RIGHT WHAT’S RIGHT AND IN THE BEST INTERESTS
5 OF THE CHILD.
6 IF WE ALL HAD MORE INTERESTS IN CHILDREN IN THIS
7 COUNTRY, WE WOULDN’T HAVE NEARLY THE PROBLEMS WE HAD
8 TODAY MUCH
9 >> GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THIS, MR. BOWER, I WOULD LIKE YOU
10 TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, TOO.
11 DOES THE FATHER’S RIGHT SUPERCEDE WHAT WE MIGHT
12 PERCEIVE AS SOME TYPE OF UNFIT ENVIRONMENT FOR THIS
13 CHILD?
14 >> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
15 LOOK, THIS CHILD HAD A LOVING MOTHER.
16 THAT MOTHER DIED GETTING THIS CHILD TO THIS COUNTRY.
17 SHE KNEW THAT HER CHILD NEEDED LIBERTY AND FREEDOM, THE
18 FREEDOM TO WORSHIP, THE FREEDOM TO GROW UP AND MAKE HIS
19 OWN DECISIONS ABOUT THE KIND OF OF JOB HE WOULD GET,
20 THE KIND OF FAMILY HE WOULD HAVE, WHAT HE WOULD TEACH
21 HIS OWN CHILDREN ABOUT GOD.
22 IT WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE BLIGHT ON THIS COUNTRY, FOR
23 THIS SHINING CITY ON A HILL, AS THE FOUNDING FATHERS
24 CALLED US, TO TURN THAT CHILD BACK TO THE CLUTCHES OF
25 OF FIDEL CASTRO.
26 YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT THAT WE’VE GOT,
24
1 THAT WE HAVE EVEN GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT THERE IS A
2 CHANCE THAT THIS CHILD MIGHT.
3 BACK.
4 JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, THIS ADMINISTRATION RELEASED
5 PUERTO RICAN TERRORISTS FROM PRISON SO THAT THE
6 PRESIDENT COULD HELP HIS WIFE GET ELECTED SENATE TO THE
7 SENATE IN NEW YORK.
8 THE WHOLE WAY TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WENT TO
9 ALLOWING THESE TERRORISTS BACK OUT ON THE STREET!
10 AND NOW, THE WHOLE {WAEGTS} OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
11 IS ARRAYED AGAINST THIS LITTLE BOY SEEKING LIBERTY.
12 IT IS A MATTER OF SHAME AND IF THIS PRESIDENT KNOWS
13 WHAT SHAME IS, HE WILL NOT SEND THAT BOY BACK.
14 (APPLAUSE)
15 >> MOVING ON TO SENATOR McCAIN, P BEFORE I DO THIS, I
16 SHOULD POINT OUT THAT YOU, MR. BOWER, REFERRED TO THIS
17 PRESIDENT.
18 I WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO ANOTHER PRESIDENT, ONE THAT WE
19 ARE FOND OF OF, PRESIDENT {JARLDZ} R.
20 FORD FROM GRAND RAPIDS.
21 >> I WAS A REAGAN MAN ACTUALLY.
22 >> MY CONDOLENCES.
23 >> SIR, YOU HAVE ALREADY TOLD US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO
24 KNOW ABOUT YOU TONIGHT.
25 >> THE QUESTION, SENATOR McCAIN IS THAT FORMER
26 PRESIDENT REAGAN SAID—I’M SORRY, FORMER PRESIDENT
25
1 FORD SAID "YOU GOT TO CALL ‘EM LIKE YOU SEE ‘EM" AND HE
2 SUPPORTS PRESIDENT CLINTON’S EFFORT NOT TO INTERFERE
3 WITH THE INS.
4 WHAT DO YOU THINK?
5 >> MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SPOKEN VERY EL {QUENTS}LY ON THIS
6 ISSUE, EXCEPT TO REMIND YOU AGAIN, IN NEW YORK HARBOR,
7 THERE IS A STATUE AND THE INSCRIPTION ON IT SENDS ME
8 YOUR POOR, YOUR TIRED, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO
9 BREATHE FREE.
10 THAT BOY’S MOTHER GAVE HER LIFE SO THAT HE COULD
11 BREATHE FREE, AND AS ALL MY COLLEAGUES SAID, LET THE
12 FATHER COME TO THE US OF A AND STAY A FEW DAYS, A TRIP
13 TO DISNEYWORLD AND ENJOY—SERIOUSLY ENJOY FREEDOM,
14 AND THAT BOY WOULD NEVER GO BACK AND NEITHER WOULD HIS
15 FATHER.
16 LET ME MAKE ONE ADD ADDITIONAL COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK
17 WE PASSED OVER IT WITH OUR FOCUS ON TAXES.
18 THIS PORNOGRAPHY IS A PROBLEM.
19 IT IS A PROBLEM OVER THE INTERNET.
20 IT IS A PROBLEM IN OUREL SCHOOLS AN LIBRARIES.
21 WE ARE WIRING EVERY SCHOOL AND LIBRARY IN AMERICA TO
22 THE INC. TER NET AT TAXPAYERS’ EXPENSE T IS A GREAT
23 THING. WE SHOULD ARE HAVE HE EVERY SCHOOL AND LIBRARY
24 IN AMERICA ACQUIRING FILTERING SOFTWARE AND USE THAT
25 SOFTWARE TO FILTER OUT A LOT OF THIS GARBAGE THAT IS
26 HAVING SUCH A TERRIBLE EFFECT ON OUR YOUNG CHILDREN AND
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1 THAT SHOULD BE DONE ACCORDING TO COMMUNITY STANDARDS.
2 THE SAME WAY A LIBRARY BOARD FILTERS OUT OFFENSIVE
3 PRINTED MATERIAL, THEY SHOULD FILTER OUT THIS OFFENSIVE
4 MATERIAL.
5 THERE ARE TOO MANY CASES OF CHILDREN WATCHING
6 PORNOGRAPHY AND ACTING IN A WAY WHICH IS SHAMEFUL TO
7 ALL OF US.
8 THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND DESERVES MORE
9 DISCUSSION ON THE PART NOT ONLY OF US, BUT EVERY
10 FAMILY, INCLUDING MY OWN.
11 >> GOVERNOR BUSH, I THINK YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS
12 QUESTION, SO.
13 SO IF YOU WANT TO, THEN WE WILL START THEEL NEXT ROUND.
14 >> I DO, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT THE MAN OUGHT
15 TO BE BROUGHT TO THE UNITED STATES, GIVEN A WHIFF OF
16 FREEDOM SO HE CAN SEE HOW WONDERFUL OUR COUNTRY IS.
17 I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT CUBA AND OUR HEMISPHERE.
18 THERE ARE FOLKS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT BELIEVE WE OUGHT
19 TO TRADE WITH CUBA.
20 I DON’T.
21 I THINK THAT WOULD BE WRONG HEADED.
22 I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE.
23 CAPITAL THAT GOES INTO CUBA WILL BE USED BY THE FIDEL
24 CASTRO GOVERNMENT TO PROP ITSELF UP.
25 THERE IS A COMMISSION-TYPE SYSTEM IN CUBA.
26 DOLLARS INVESTED WILL BE DOLLARS THAT WILL END UP
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1 SUPPORTING THIS TOTALITARIAN REGIME.
2 IT IS IN OUR BEST INTERESTS FOR US TO PROMOTE FREEDOM
3 IN THE ISLAND RIGHT OFF THE COAST OF FLORIDA.
4 IT IS IN OUR BEST INTERESTS TO KEEP THE PRESSURE ON
5 FIDEL CASTRO UNTIL HE AL LOUS FREE ELECTIONS, FREE
6 PRESS AND FREE THE PRISONERS ON THAT ISLAND, AND FOR
7 THOSE AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE THE TRADE WITH CUBA WILL
8 CAUSE CASTRO TO BECOME LESS TOTALITARIAN, IN MY
9 JUDGMENT ARE NAIVE AND WRONG.
10 >> GOVERNOR, YOU JUST MADE THE CASE FOR WITHDRAWING THE
11 MOST FAVORED NATION STATUS FROM CHINA.
12 EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID ABOUT CUBA APPLY APPLIES TO
13 CHINA.
14 >> LET ME ANSWER THAT.
15 >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHINA AND CUBE B.A.
16 >> LET ME ANSWER THAT, PLEASE?
17 >> PLEASE.
18 >> THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE, A HUGE DIFFERENCE
19 BETWEEN TRADING WITH AN ENTREPRENEURAL CLASS, LIKE
20 THAT, WHICH IS GROWING IN CHINA, AND ALLOWING A FIDEL
21 CASTRO GOVERNMENT TO SKIM CAPITAL MONIES OFF THE TOP OF
22 CAL CAPITAL INVEST MANY.
23 THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
24 >> ONE THIRD OF THE TRADE WITH CHINA IS WITH COMPANIES
25 CONTROLLED BY THE PEOPLE’S LIBERATION ARMY.
26 YOU KNOW THAT AND I KNOW THAT.
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1 TELL THE PEOPLE ROTTING IN THE PRISONS OF CHINA THAT
2 THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CASTRO’S CUBA AND
3 COMMUNIST CHINA.
4 THERE ISN’T ANY.
5 >> LET ME SAY THIS: IF HE WE TURN OUR BACK ON THE
6 ENTREPRENEURAL CLASS THAT HAS TAKEN WING IN CHINA,
7 WE’RE MAKING A HUGE MISTAKE.
8 IF WE TURN OUR BACK ON THOSE THAT HAVE GOTTEN A WHIFF
9 OF FREEDOM AS A RESULT OF THE MARKETPLACE TAKING HOLD,
10 WE’RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.
11 WE’RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.
12 THE ENTREPRENEURAL CLASS IS HE GROWING IN THE COUNTRY
13 OF CHINA.
14 >> SIR, THEY ARE USING THAT MONEY FOR MASSIVE ARMS
15 BUILD-UP THAT OUR SONS WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH DOWN THE
16 ROAD.
17 >> ONLY IF YOU’RE THE PRESIDENT.
18 >> IF I’M THE PRESIDENT, IT WON’T HAPPEN.
19 >> MR. BOWER, MR. BOWER... LET ME MOVE TO ANOTHER AREA
20 THAT THE CANDIDATES HAVE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, AND
21 WITH A LOCAL, IF YOU WILL, INPUT.
22 THE STATE OF MICHIGAN COLLECTS $7 BILLION A YEAR FROM A
23 SALES TAX ON GOODS PURCHASED IN THE STATE.
24 BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN MISH {FWAN} NOW P
25 BUYING ON THE INTERNET, THERE HAS BEEN A LOSS IN STATE
26 REVENUES APPROACHING $200 TO $300 MILLION.
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1 WITH THAT IN MIND, MR. FORBES, ARE YOU PREPARED, AS
2 MORE AND MORE PEOPLE BUY ON THE INTERNET, TO ALLOW
3 MICHIGAN TO LOSE MORE AND MORE SALES TAX REVENUES WHEN,
4 IN FACT, 2/3’S OF THAT REVENUE GOES DIRECTLY TO
5 EDUCATION IN THIS STATE?
6 >> I THINK, TIM, THE WAY YOU PHRASED THE HE QUESTION
7 SHOWS WHAT’S WRONG WITH POLITICS TODAY, AND THAT IS THE
8 ASSUMPTION THAT HE WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, IF SOMEBODY
9 GAINS, SOMEBODY LOSES.
10 THE INTERNET, OVERALL, IS STIMULATING COMMERCE.
11 IT IS ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE TIME TO BUY
12 THINGS QUICKLY AND EASILY.
13 AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
14 IT MEANS YOU NEED A WAREHOUSE TO STORE THE GOODS.
15 IT MEANS YOU NEED MORE TRUCKS AN DRIVERS TO DELIVER THE
16 GOODS.
17 THAT MEANS MORE SALARIES, MORE JOBS.
18 IT IS A NET WEALTH CREATOR.
19 BUT IN WASHINGTON AND IN LANSING AND ELSEWHERE, THEY
20 HAVE THIS MENTALITY, THAT IF IT IS OUT THERE AND
21 GROWING, BY GOLLY, THEY GOT TO GET THEIR CLAWS AND
22 HOOKS INTO IT.
23 IT IS NOT RIGHT, BUT IT IS TYPICAL OF OF THAT
24 MENTALITY.
25 IT IS NO COINCIDENCE THAT THE BOOM IN STARTUPS AND DOT
26 COMS CAME WHEN CONGRESS PUT A THREE-YEAR MORATORIUM ON
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1 IT IN OCTOBER OF 1998, AND THE BOOM IN E-COMMERCE
2 ALLOWED TO FLOURISH, AND BOOM, AFTER THAT MORATORIUM
3 AFTER THAT MORATORIUM WAS PUT ON.
4 DON’T KILL IT WITH TAXES.
5 IT CREATES WEALTH, TIM, IT DOESN’T DESTROY IT.
6 >> THE STATE GOVERNMENT IN MICHIGAN HAS SENT A FORM TO
7 TAXPAYERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE WHICH ASKED THEM TO
8 ITEMIZE ALL THE ITEMS THEY HAVE PURCHASED ON THE
9 INTERNET, AND TO VOLUNTARILY PAY THE 6 PERCENT TAX.
10 SHOULD TAXPAYERS IN MICHIGAN COMPLY WITH THAT LAW?
11 >> I THINK THE COURT DECISIONS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR
12 FROM THE SUPREME COURT.
13 IF YOU’RE A SELLER, AND YOU DON’T HAVE A PHYSICAL
14 PRESENCE IN THE STATE, THEN THE BUYER ISN’T ELIGIBLE TO
15 PAY THE SALES TAX, AND THE RULES THAT APPLY TO CATALOG
16 SALES.
17 THE RULES THAT APPLY TO SALES OVER THE PHONE SHOULD
18 APPLY TO THE INTERNET.
19 NO MORE, NO LESS.
20 THIS IS A WEALTH CREATOR.
21 THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, THE MUNICIPALITIES IN AMERICA
22 WILL BE COLLECTING A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE OF THE
23 INTERNET, FAR MORE THAN WHAT THEY MIGHT LOSE BECAUSE
24 THEY THINK THEY MIGHT LOSE SOMETHING ON THE SALES TAX.
25 >> SO CONSUMERS SHOULD BREAK THE LAW IN MICHIGAN BY NOT
26 PAYING...
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1 >> TIM, I DON’T KNOW WHAT MICHIGAN LAW IS, BUT I DO
2 KNOW THAT NO STATE HAS TRIED YET TO HAVE A POLICE STATE
3 OF MAKING YOU ITEMIZE EVERYTHING YOU BUY OVER THE PHONE
4 OR OVER THE CATALOGS.
5 THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A REAL REVOLUTION.
6 IT JUST WOULDN’T BE IN BOSTON.
7 IT WOULD BE ALL OVER AMERICA.
8 TAXES ARE TOO HIGH IN AMERICA.
9 INSTEAD OF ALWAYS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO RAISE
10 ‘EM.
11 HOW P ABOUT CUTTING THEM ACROSS THE BOARD?
12 >> THANK YOU, MR. FORBES.
13 I’LL ADDRESS THIS TO MR. BOWER.
14 JUST TODAY, TALKS ENED IN WEST VIRGINIA BETWEEN TWO
15 ARCHRIVALS, ISRAEL AND SYRIA, WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT
16 BEING REACHED.
17 AS PRESIDENT, WHERE WOULD PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST RANK
18 IN YOUR LIST OF PRIORITIES?
19 DO YOU SUPPORT A PALESTINIAN STATE?
20 AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO ENSURE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY
21 OF BOTH ARABS AN JEWS?
22 >> WELL, A MIDDLE EASTERN SETTLEMENT IS EXTREMELY
23 IMPORTANT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE UNITED STATES AND
24 FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE WORLD, BUT I WILL TELL YOU
25 WHAT I WILL NOT DO, AND THAT IS DO WHAT THIS
26 ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, AND
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1 THAT IS BROW BEAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL, OUR MOST
2 RELIABLE FRIEND AND ALLY, TO GIVE UP MORE LAND FOR
3 SECURITY.
4 WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE MAP LOOKS LIKE.
5 THIS LITTLE SLIVER OF A DEMOCRATIC NATION IN THE MIDDLE
6 OF THE MIDDLE EAST SURROUNDED BY HOSTILE POWERS, MUCH
7 {LARJS}ER THAN THEM, AND IT IS IS THE LITTLE SLIVER OF
8 A DEMOCRACY THAT IS BEING TOLD IT HAS GOT TO TRADE LAND
9 FOR PEACE.
10 I BELIEVE ISRAEL HAS BEEN OUR ONLY RELIABLE ALLY.
11 I WOULD STAND WITH THEM.
12 I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEIR SECURITY WAS SAFE, AND
13 THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO OF OF US PROSPER
14 AND I WOULD BEGIN TO PUT SOME PRESSURE ON THOSE OTHER
15 COUNTRIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT RELY ON US TO BE
16 THEIR DEFENSE, THEIR SAFETY NET, THAT IF THEY WANT TO
17 BE OUR ALLY, THEN THEY NEED TO BE FRIENDS WITH ISRAEL,
18 OUR MAJOR ALLY IN THE REGION.
19 >> RICK ALBIN.
20 >> GOVERNOR BUSH, THE MICHIGAN STATE POLICE STARTED
21 JUST LAST WEEK KEEPING TRACK OF RACE OF PEOPLE THAT
22 THEY STOP ALONG THE ROAD.
23 IT IS AN EF EFFORT TO DETERMINE IF PEOPLE ARE STOPPED
24 ON THE BASIS OF THAT RACE, SO-CALLED RACIAL PROFILING.
25 THAT’S THEIR EFFORT TO SEE IF IT IS TAKING PLACE.
26 WHAT ROLE MIGHT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ADD TO MAKE SURE
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1 THAT JUSTICE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DISTRIBUTED EVENLY
2 AND MOREOVER, WHAT ROLE, AS PRESIDENT, CAN YOU DO TO
3 HELP RACE RELATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY?
4 >> FIRST, IT IS NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S ROLE TO
5 RUN STATE POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
6 >> WELL, IS IT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S ROLE TO SEE
7 THAT RACIAL PROFILING DOESN’T TAKE PLACE IN ANY STATE?
8 >> NO ONE WANTS RACIAL PROFILING TO TAKE PLACE IN ANY
9 STATE.
10 THE GOVERNOR OF THIS STATE DOESN’T.
11 THE GOVERNOR OF MY STATE DOESN’T.
12 I’M INTERESTED IN FAIR JUSTICE.
13 I THINK WE OUGHT TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY
14 BREAK THE LAW REGARDLESS OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.
15 IN TERMS OF BEING A PRESIDENT THAT SAYS THERE IS NO
16 PLACE IN RACISM, IT STARTS WITH SAYING THERE IS NO
17 PLACE FOR RACISM IN AMERICA.
18 THIS IS A NATION WHERE ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL.
19 IT IS A GREAT HOPE OF OF AMERICA.
20 THEY ARE ALL EQUAL.
21 WE ARE ALL GOD’S CHILDREN.
22 THAT’S WHAT LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO DO.
23 LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO STAND UP AND CONDEMN RACISM AND
24 CONDEMN PREJUDICES AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AS AN
25 INDIVIDUAL, NOT AS A GROUP.
26 ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE WITH OFTENTIMES WHAT IS
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1 HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THERE IS TOO MUCH GROUP
2 THOUGHT.
3 THERE IS TOO MUCH ATTEMPT TO PIT ONE GROUP AGAINST
4 ANOTHER.
5 THAT LEADS TO DISHARMONY, THE VULCANIZEATION OF
6 AMERICA.
7 EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNTS.
8 EACH INDIVIDUAL MATTERS.
9 THE AMERICAN DREAM BELONGS TO EACH INDIVIDUAL WHO IS
10 WILLING TO WORK HARD TO ACHIEVE IT.
11 >> BEFORE WE BEGIN THE CANDIDATE TO CANDIDATE
12 QUESTIONING, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE EACH CANDIDATE A
13 CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ONE QUESTION, SAME QUESTION: A
14 DEBATE, DISCUSSION TODAY AT THE UNITED NATIONS.
15 13 MILLION PEOPLE IN AFRICA HAVE DIED OF AIDS.
16 7 MILLION MORE WILL DIE OF AIDS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
17 20 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS DEAD OF OF AIDS.
18 SHOULD THE UNITED STATES APPROPRIATE ABOUT $300 MILLION
19 OUT OF OF ITS SURPLUS IN ORDER TO HELP FIGHT AIDS IN
20 AFRICA?
21 MR. BOWER?
22 >> WELL, TIM, AS PRESIDENT, I WOULD LOOK AT ALL THE
23 PRIORITIES FACING THIS COUNTRY, AND MAKE A JUDGMENT
24 ABOUT WHERE WE CAN USE THAT SURPLUS, FIRST TO HELP THE
25 AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND THEN TO HELP WHOEVER ELSE WE CAN
26 THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HELP.
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1 BUT LET ME JUST SAY, I MUST SAY THAT THE PEOPLE OF
2 AFRICA, THE SUFFERING PEOPLE OF AFRICA ULTIMATELY WILL
3 NOT BE BAILED OUT BY US ON THIS OR ANY OTHER THING.
4 THEY MUST GET GOVERNMENTS IN AFRICA THAT PROMOTE
5 ECONOMIC GROWTH TO TREAT PEOPLE AS HUMAN BEINGS.
6 THAT IS THE LONG-TERM ANSWER FOR AFRICA, NOT REACHING
7 FURTHER INTO THE HANDS OF THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS.
8 >> THE PROPOSAL IS TO PROVIDE $300 MILLION IN AMERICAN
9 ASSISTANCE.
10 SHOULD WE?
11 >> I WOULD DO ANYTHING I COULD IN MY POWER TO STOP THIS
12 TERRIBLE AFFLICTION THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN AFRICA
13 TODAY.
14 THEY ARE WIPING OUT GENERATIONS OF OF YOUNG AFRICANS.
15 THEY HE DESERVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY WE DO.
16 IF I HAD CONFIDENCE THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE WELL
17 SPENT, I WOULD DO IT, BUT WE HAVE CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS.
18 WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON’T TREAT THE PEOPLE.
19 WE HAVE PLACES WHERE THAT MEDICINE CAN’T GET TO.
20 SO BEFORE I SPENT OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY ON THAT, I WOULD
21 HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD GO TO THE RECIPIENTS
22 AND THOSE POOR PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFLICTED WITH THIS
23 TERRIBLE DISEASE.
24 VERY FRANKLY, IN A LOT OF PARTS OF AFRICA TODAY, I DO
25 NOT HAVE THAT CONFIDENCE.
26 >> GOVERNOR BUSH.
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1 >> I THINK THIS IS A COMPASSIONATE NATION AND I THINK
2 WE OUGHT TO RALLY OTHER COMPASSIONATE NATIONS AROUND
3 THE WORLD TO PROVIDE THE MONEY TO HELP THE FOLKS IN OF
4 A {KASHGS} BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT JOHN SAID.
5 OFTENTIMES WE ARE WELL INTENDED WHEN IT COMES TO
6 FOREIGN HELP, BUT THE MONEY NEVER MAKES IT TO THE
7 PEOPLE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO HELP, AND SO I THINK
8 BEFORE WE SPENT A DIME, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
9 THE PEOPLE WE ARE TRYING TO HELP RECEIVE THE HELP
10 NECESSARY.
11 BUT THIS IS A COMPASSIONATE LAND AND WE NEED TO RALLY
12 THE PEOPLE OF OF COMPASSION IN THE WORLD TO HELP IN
13 THEIR TERRIBLE TRAGEDY LIKE THIS IN AFRICA.
14 >> MR. FORBES.
15 >> I THINK JOHN AND GEORGE ARE RIGHT.
16 WE HAVE TO BE SURE WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.
17 TOO OFTEN FOREIGN AID, NOT ONLY TO AFRICA BUT OTHER
18 PARTS OF THE WORLD HAVE JUST GONE TO BUREAUCRACIES AN
19 NOT THOSE IT WAS MEANT TO HELP.
20 99 PERCENT HAS BEEN WASTED.
21 IN TERMS OF AFRICA ITSELF, I THINK IT IS KEY THAT WE
22 NOT SHACKLE OUR OWN PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY SO THAT
23 THEY CAN COME UP WITH CURES TO THESE AND OTHER HIDEOUS
24 DISEASES.
25 AND IN ADDITION, I THINK WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE GROUPS
26 HERE IN AMERICA AND IN AFRICA THAT ARE WORKING TO
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1 TACKLE THIS DISEASE TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE ON
2 PEOPLE’S PERSONAL BEHAVIOR, AND MANY OF THESE
3 COUNTRIES, PEOPLE AREN’T GETTING THE WORD ON HOW THEY
4 CAN BEHAVE TO HELP STOP THIS EPIDEMIC, BECAUSE THE
5 GOVERNMENT WON’T DO IT.
6 PRIVATE GROUPS, RELIGIOUS GROUPS ARE WILLING TO.
7 WE SHOULD URGE THEM TO DO SO.
8 >> MR. KEYS.
9 >> I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM HEARING IN
10 THIS DISCUSSION, AND IT IS THE PREMISE OF OF YOUR
11 QUESTION, I GUESS, WHICH IS TYPICAL, IS THAT THE WAY
12 YOU MEASURE COMPASSION IS BY HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ARE
13 GOING TO THROW AT SOME PROBLEM.
14 REGARDLESS OF OF WHETHER THE PROBLEM IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO
15 BEING DEALT WITH ALL THE MONEY.
16 AFTER ALL, ASKING WHETHER WE SHOULD SPEND $300 MILLION
17 TO CURE AN INCURABLE DISEASE IS QUITE AN ACADEMIC POINT
18 AND YOU SHOULD REALIZE THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SPREAD
19 OF THAT DISEASE IS ROOTED IN WHAT?
20 IS ROOTED IN A MORAL CRISIS.
21 IS ROOTED IN A PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR THAT SPREADS THAT
22 DEATH BECAUSE OF A KIND OF LIFE EXPERIENCES NOT ONLY IN
23 AFRICA BUT AROUND THE WORLD.
24 I THINK THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS BASED ON A PREMISE
25 THAT REVEALS THE CORRUPTION OF OUR THOUGHT.
26 MONEY CANNOT SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM.
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1 SOMETIMES WE NEED TO LOOK AT MORAL ROOT OF THAT PROBLEM
2 AND HAVE THE GUTS TO DEAL WITH IT.
3 !
4 (APPLAUSE)
5 SENATOR HATCH, IT IS A HE VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION,
6 BECAUSE VICE PRESIDENT GORE WENT TO THE UNITED NATIONS
7 TODAY AND SAID THE ADMINISTRATION WILL PROPOSE $300
8 MILLION TO FIGHT AIDS IN AFRICA.
9 AS A SENATOR, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THAT?
10 >> VICE PRESIDENT GORE DID WHAT WAS RIGHT TODAY.
11 THIS ADMINISTRATION DID WHAT WAS RIGHT TODAY.
12 AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE VERY DECENT MEN.
13 ANY ONE OF THEM WOULD MAKE A DECENT PRESIDENT.
14 THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, HOWEVER, IN ME FROM THE REST OF
15 ‘EM.
16 I’M THE AUTHOR OF THE THREE AIDS BILLS THAT HAVE GIVEN
17 THE QUALITY OF LIFE TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, HUNDREDS OF
18 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
19 I RAISED THE FIRST MILLION DOLLARS NET FOR THE
20 PEDIATRIC AIDS FOUNDATION, RUN BY A VERY LIBERAL GROUP
21 OF PEOPLE.
22 ELIZABETH GLASER WAS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.
23 I DIDN’T REALIZE HOW BAD IT WAS FOR CHILDREN IN THIS
24 COUNTRY.
25 THAT WAS TEN YEARS AGO.
26 THIS YEAR, WE HELD THE TENTH ANNIVERSARY DINNER AND WE
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1 RAISED ANOTHER 2 AND A HALF MILLION.
2 THEY HAVE RAISED ALMOST 80 MILLION FOR KIDS WITH AIDS.
3 WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP PEOPLE WITH
4 HEALTH CARE PROBLEMS.
5 AND AS FAR AS WATCHING THE MONEY, WE HAVE A LOT OF
6 NON-PROFIT FOUNDATIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COUNTRY
7 THAT WOULD GLADLY GO OVER THERE AND HELP OUR BROTHERS
8 AND SISTERS IN AFRICA, AND I’VE GOT TO TELL YOU, IF WE
9 DON’T DO THIS, WE’RE NOT A GREAT NATION ANYMORE.
10 I THINK WIER A GREAT NATION.
11 THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT I HAVE DONE IT.
12 I’M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT IT OR PROMISING ABOUT IT AND
13 THAT’S WHAT I OFFER YOU AS PRESIDENT.
14 >> THANK YOU, SENATOR HATCH.
15 >> MR. FORBES, YOU HAVE THE FIRST QUESTION.
16 YOU MAY ASK ANY OF YOUR FIVE OPPONENTS A QUESTION.
17 >> I WILL LEND YOUR ATTENTION AND MYSTERY AS TO WHO I’M
18 GOING TO PICK.
19 I CAN SEE THAT BULL’S EYE FROM HERE.
20 I’M GOING TO SURPRISE YOU.
21 IT’S NOT ON TAXES.
22 LET’S TAKE A DREAM RIDE FOR A MOMENT.
23 LET’S PRETEND, GEORGE, THAT YOU GET THE NOMINATION IN
24 AUGUST FOR IN PHILADELPHIA FOR THE REPUBLICAN
25 NOMINATION.
26 >> I HAVE SET THE PREMISE.
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1 NOW, -- IF I DIDN’T HEDGE ON THAT—NOW, WOULD YOU
2 MAKE THREE PLEDGES TONIGHT?
3 ONE, WILL YOU PLEDGE TO PRESERVE THE RONALD REAGAN
4 PLANK ON LIFE IN THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM.
5 TWO, WILL YOU FINALLY STATE UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT YOU WILL
6 CHOOSE ONLY PRO-LIFE JUDGES, AND THIRD, WILL YOU VOW TO
7 PICK A PRO-LIFE RUNNING MATE?
8 >>S THAT’S THE EXACT SAME QUESTION MR. BOWER ASKED ME
9 DURING THE LAST COUPLE OF DEBATES.
10 >> FOUR TIMES.
11 >> FOUR TIMES, RIGHT.
12 AND NOT THAT ANYBODY IS COUNTING.
13 >> LIKE THAT TAX PLEDGE.
14 >> I’LL ANSWER IT.
15 I’M {ZPG} TO PICK A VICE PRESIDENT WHO WHO CAN BE THE
16 PRESIDENT.
17 I WILL PICK JUDGES WHO STRICTLY INTERPRET THE
18 CONSTITUTION AND NOT USE THE BENCHS AS A LEGISLATIVE—
19 AS A WAY TO LEGISLATE, AND I WILL WORK TO KEEP THE
20 REPUBLICAN PARTY PRO-LIFE.
21 THAT’S WHAT I’M GOING TO DO, MR. FORBES, AND I
22 APPRECIATE YOUR ASSUMPTION ABOUT ME BEING THE PARTY
23 NOMINEE.
24 .
25 >> MR. FORBES, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT ANSWER?
26 >> NO, IT IS A HIP CAL HEDGE.
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1 WHERE IS THE PLEDGE, NOT A PLEDGE, BUT A HEDGE ON THE
2 RUNNING MATE, A PLEDGE ON JUDGES, A PLEDGE ON THE
3 PLATFORM.
4 VAGARIES AREN’T GOING TO WORK.
5 WE NEED SOMETHING SPECIFIC.
6 >> I DON’T KNOW HOW I CAN BE MORE CLEAR.
7 >> SAY IT.
8 >> LISTEN...
9 >> I’LL LISTEN.
10 >> I’M LISTENING, GEORGE.
11 >> NO, YOU’RE INTERRUPTING.
12 I WILL ARE HAVE A VICE PRESIDENT WHO CAN BECOME THE
13 PRESIDENT.
14 THAT’S THE TEST, STEVE . I WILL HAVE A A VICE PRESIDENT
15 THAT AGREES WITH MY POLICY.
16 I’M GOING TO HAVE A VICE PRESIDENT THAT LIKES ME.
17 (APPLAUSE)
18 >> I CAN’T BE ANY MORE CLEAR.
19 YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE ANSWER, BUT THAT’S MY ANSWER, AND
20 THAT IS THE RIGHT ANSWER TO GIVE.
21 >> AMBASSADOR KEYS, DO YOU HAVE THE NEXT QUESTION FOR
22 ANYONE OTHER THAN GOVERNOR BUSH?
23 >> I HAVE A COMMENT FOR GOVERNOR BUSH.
24 I LIKE YOU, GEORGE, BUT...
25 (APPLAUSE)
26 >> THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE ON MY SHORT LIST.
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1 >> AND SINCE IT IS A PROVEN FAMILY TRADITION, I WILL
2 CONSIDER YOU FOR MY VICE-PRESIDENCY.
3 >> THANK YOU.
4 YES.
5 >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR GARY BOWER NOW.
6 GARY, THE OTHER DAY I ASKED SENATOR McCAIN ABOUT THIS
7 WHOLE BUSINESS OF THE DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL CLINTON
8 POLICY AND SENATOR McCAIN SUPPORTS THAT POLICY.
9 HE HAS GIVEN US CLINTON LIGHT ON GAYS IN THE MILITARY
10 AND WANTS US TO CONTINUE WITH A POLICY THAT UNDERMINES
11 A SENSE OF HONOR IN THE MILITARY, THAT GIVES THE FALSE
12 MESSAGE TO PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN LEAD A LIFESTYLE THAT
13 IS ACTUALLY AGAINST THE REGULATIONS AND PUTS THE PEOPLE
14 WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS IN A
15 POSITION WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO ENCOUNTER RESENTMENT,
16 MISUNDERSTANDING AND CONFUSION WHEN THEY MOVE TO
17 ENFORCE IT ON THE BASIS OF WHATEVER INFORMATION THEY
18 HAVE.
19 I THINK THAT SO SOWS TREMENDOUS SEEDS OF OF DIFFICULTY
20 IN OUR MILITARY RANKS AND LEADS TO DISASTER THAT IS
21 FELT THROUGHOUT THE RANKS. I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE
22 POLITICAL GENERALS.
23 I KNOW PEOPLE AT THAT LEVEL SUFFERING IN THEIR MORALE
24 BECAUSE OF THIS AND THE SEEDS OF DISTRUST THAT IT SOWS.
25 WILL YOU JOIN ME IN MY PLEDGE, IF I BECOME PRESIDENT,
26 TO RETURN TO A BAN ON GAYS IN THE MILITARY AND GET RID
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1 OF THIS POLICY THAT UNDERMINES THE HONOR AND MORALE OF
2 OUR MILITARY PEOPLE?
3 >> ALLAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I WILL DO AS PRESIDENT,
4 WHICH IS, IN FACT, TO REINSTATE THAT BAN.
5 LOOK, THIS ADMINISTRATION BEGAN WITH AN ARGUMENT OVER
6 OPEN HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE MILITARY.
7 WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN FROM THE VERY FIRST WEEKS OF THE
8 CLINTON ADMINISTRATION JUST HOW BAD THINGS WOULD BE BY
9 THE TIME THE EIGHT YEARS WERE OVER.
10 WE HAVE GONE ARE FROM A 600-SHIP NAVY DOWN TO 325
11 SHIPS, FROM 18 ARMY DIVISIONS DOWN TO TEN.
12 WE ARE HAVE GOT 13,000 MEN AND WOMEN IN THE ARMY ON
13 FOOD STAMPS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING PAID TO LIFT
14 THEM ABOVE THE POVERTY LEVEL.
15 WHAT IS THIS ADMINISTRATION WORRIED ABOUT AS WE HEARD
16 THE VICE PRESIDENT SAY THE OTHER DAY?
17 HE WANTS THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF TO MEET ALL THE
18 DEMANDS OF THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT OR THEY WON’T SERVE
19 IN THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF UNDER PRESIDENT FORD.
20 WE SHOULD LISTEN TO OUR MILITARY OFFICES.
21 THE MILITARY OFFICERS TOLD US HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE
22 MILITARY ARE RY DESTROYS THE SPIRIT AT CORE.
23 THERE IS ONE PURPOSE OF THE MILITARY—THAT IS TO
24 PREVENT A WAR, AN IF THAT FAILS, TO WIN A WAR FOR THE
25 UNITED STATES.
26 NOT TO BE A SOCIOLOGICAL PLAYGROUND FOR BILL AND
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1 HILLARY CLINTON.
2 YES, I WILL REINSTATE THE BAN.
3 (APPLAUSE)
4 >> SENATOR McCAIN, YOUR NAME WAS INVOKED.
5 DOW WANT TO DEFEND YOURSELF?
6 >> OH, I WISH THIS HAD NOT COME INTO THE POLITICAL
7 ARENA.
8 I WISH THAT CLEARLY VICE PRESIDENT GORE AND BRADLEY ARE
9 PANDERING TO SOME ELEMENT HERE.
10 THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE.
11 WE’RE ASKING OUR MILITARY COMMANDERS TO HANDLE THIS
12 ISSUE.
13 THE POLICY IS WORKING.
14 ASK THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK IN THE MILITARY.
15 THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT.
16 >> THE POLICY OF OF DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL.
17 >> THE POLICY OF DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL IS WORKING.
18 I RELY ON PEOPLE LIKE GENERAL COLIN POWELL, PEOPLE I
19 SERVED WITH ALL MY ADULT LIFE WHO TELL ME THIS POLL IS
20 SY A WORKING.
21 WE CAN APPLAUD AND YELL AND SCREAM, BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR
22 MILITARY IS IN BAD SHAPE.
23 WE ARE NOT MEETING OUR RECRUITING GOALS.
24 WE ARE NOT KEEPING THE MEN AND WOMEN WE NEED.
25 RIGHT NOW, INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THIS ISSUE, I WOULD
26 LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PAY, BENEFITS, 12,00 ENLISTED PEOPLE
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1 ON FOOD STAMPS, INABILITY TO CARRY OUT OUR PROTECTION
2 OF AMERICA.
3 >> SENATOR HATCH, YOUR QUESTION FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN
4 GOVERNOR BUSH OR GARY BOWER.
5 >> OKAY.
6 WELL WELL, LET ME ASK A QUESTION OF ALLAN.
7 ALLAN, THERE ARE SOME IN THE MEDIA WHO SAY THAT
8 BASICALLY THIS PODIUM OR THIS STAGE IS TOO CROWDED.
9 NOW, I NOTICE THAT THE POLL OUT OF THE KENNEDY SCHOOL
10 OF GOVERNMENT AT HARVARD A MONTH AGO SAID THAT 64
11 PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAD NOT EVEN SELECTED OR
12 DECIDED WHO WOULD BE PRESIDENT IN THEIR MINDS.
13 16 PERCENT SUPPORTED GOVERNOR BUSH, WHO WAS THE HIGHEST
14 RECIPIENT, I.
15 I THINK THINK THE P NEXT WAS AL {DPOR} AT 6 PERCENT AND
16 THE REST IN SINGLE DIGITS.
17 LAST WEEK THEY CAME UP WITH A FOLLOW-UP POLL AND THAT
18 HAS GONE TO 74 PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE
19 NOT DECIDED WHO THEY WANT FOR PRESIDENT.
20 GOVERNOR BUSH HAS GONE FROM 16 TO 13 PERCENT, BUT STILL
21 THE LEADER, BUT AL GORE STILL AT 6 PERCENT, THE REST IN
22 SINGLE DIGITS.
23 JUST ANSWER ME THIS: DO YOU THINK THAT THIS STAGE IS
24 TOO CROWDED WITH PEOPLE AND THAT THE MEDIA IS RIGHT?
25 >> I CAN TELL YOU, I THINK I KNOW WHY THE MEDIA WANTS
26 TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE STAGES, BECAUSE THEY CLAIM THE
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1 POWER TO DECIDE WHO IS GOING TO BE ON IT.
2 AND THEY WOULD TAKE THAT POWER FROM THE AMERICAN
3 PEOPLE, AND GOSH, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM RULE OF THIS
4 COUNTRY, INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE.
5 HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT GOVERNMENT OF THE MEDIA, BY THE
6 MEDIA FOR THE MEDIA?
7 I DON’T THINK SO.
8 I THINK IF THEY WANT TO HAVE PART IN OUR GOVERNMENT,
9 THEY SHOULD STAND UP, DECLARE, RUN FOR OFFICE AND GET
10 IN HERE AND SWEAT IN THE ARENA WITH THE REST OF US.
11 DON’T STAND ON YOUR HIGH HORSE COLLECTING YOUR FAT
12 SALARIES DICTATING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT THEIR
13 CHOICES WILL BE, AND I SAY THAT...
14 (APPLAUSE)
15 I SAY THAT BY THE WAY AS ONE WHO IS A VICTIM OF THAT
16 MEDIA TYRANNY IN ATLANTA IN THE LAST GO {ARNGDZ} WHEN A
17 TIR RAN CAL TELEVISION STATION KEPT ME OFF THE STAGE.
18 I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS IN THIS COUNTRY WHO
19 REALIZE AFTER ALL IS SAID, ONCE YOU HAVE PROVEN IT, AND
20 I THINK I HAVE PROVEN I HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE...
21 (APPLAUSE)
22 I CAN’T RESIST JUST ONE MOMENT OF REBUTTAL.
23 I THINK THAT WHAT WE HEAR SENATOR McCAIN TELLING US
24 THAT THE MILITARY HAS ALL THESE PROBLEMS, PEOPLE
25 LEAVING AND SO FORTH.
26 IT SEEMS LIKE HE HAS FORGOTTEN THAT THE ROOT OF THE
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1 WORD MORALE IS MORAL, AND THAT WE OUGHT TO PAY
2 ATTENTION TO THE MORAL ENVIRONMENT WE CREATE IN OUR
3 MILITARY OR PEOPLE WILL KEEP LEAVING.
4 >> QUICKLY.
5 >> TODAY ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE FRONT PAGE OF THE
6 WASHINGTON POST AND USA TODAY WAS A STUDY OF 25,000
7 PEOPLE ENLISTED IN THE MILITARY.
8 I SUGGEST YOU READ IT.
9 IT GIVES PRIMARY REASONS WHY PEOPLE ARE HAVING SO MUCH
10 DIFFICULTY IN THE MILITARY.
11 >> SENATOR McCAIN, DID YOU EVER SERVE WITH A GAY
12 PERSON?
13 >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
14 >> MR. BOWER, YOUR QUESTION FOR FORBES, McCAIN OR
15 HATCH.
16 >> I’M REALLY DISAPPOINTED GOVERNOR THAT I DON’T GET TO
17 ASK YOU A QUESTION FOR THE FIFTH DEBATE IN A ROW.
18 >> MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO TRY McCAIN.
19 >> NO COACHING!
20 >> HE IS NOT MY PROBLEM, YOU ARE.
21 STEVE—
22 >> I MIGHT BE.
23 >> YOU’RE RIGHT.
24 STEVE, I WANT TO COMMAND YOU FOR TRYING TO GET THAT
25 ANSWER OUT OF THE GOVERNOR.
26 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS IMPORTANT, THE ANSWER TO
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1 THE QUESTION.
2 SEVEN OF THE CURRENT NINE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES—
3 WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
4 >> IT IS ABOUT REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS.
5 STEVE, A YEAR AGO HERE IN MICHIGAN, GENERAL MOTORS
6 CLOSED A PLANT IN FLINT, MICHIGAN.
7 THEY SAID THERE WAS A SURPLUS OF PARTS.
8 WHEN I SAW THE ARTICLE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, IT
9 SEEMED MATTER OF OF FACT TO ME.
10 IT WAS A LITTLE SAD THAT MEN WOULD BE LOSING THEIR JOBS
11 BUT THERE WAS A SURPLUS OF PARTS, THERE IS A SURPLUS OF
12 PARTS, BUT THEN SIX MONTHS LATER I WAS READING THROUGH
13 THE JOURNAL AGAIN AND I SAW ANOTHER LITTLE ARTICLE.
14 GENERAL MOTORS HAD REOPENED THE PLANT BUT NOT IN FLINT,
15 MICHIGAN, IN SHANGHAI, CHINA.
16 I GOT A PLANE TO FLINT, MICHIGAN AND MET WITH WITH THE
17 MEN LOSING THEIR JOBS.
18 ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THEM HAD BEEN IN VIETNAM.
19 THEY HAD GONE THERE TO FIGHT BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT
20 TOLD THEM COMMUNISM WAS WRONG.
21 NOW THEY WONDERED WHY THE RULES HAD CHANGED.
22 THEY WERE LOSING THEIR JOBS HERE BECAUSE A NICE
23 CORPORATE PRESIDENT THOUGHT HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
24 LITTLE BIT MORE AT THE BOTTOM LINE BY PUTTING THE PLANT
25 IN SHANGHAI, CHINA.
26 >> QUESTION, PLEASE.
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1 >> IF I’M PRESIDENT, I WILL TELL THE PRESIDENT OF
2 GENERAL MOTORS THAT HE IS HEAD OF AN AMERICAN COMPANY.
3 ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THE SAME, OR ARE YOU GOING TO
4 WORSHIP AT THE ALTAR OF OF INTERNATIONAL TRADE AT ALL
5 COSTS?
6 >> GARY.
7 >> I’LL ANSWER IT IN SEVERAL WAYS.
8 FIRST OF ALL, REGARDING CHINA, IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE
9 ALLOW THE CHINESE TO KNOW THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT, WHAT
10 THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE.
11 IF THEY VIOLATE THOSE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, THEY SHOULD
12 KNOW TRADE IS GOING TO BE IN JEOPARDY, AND BY THE WAY,
13 THEY SHOULD DO FAR, FAR MORE TO REDUCE TRADE BARRIERS,
14 WHICH THEY HAVE NOT DONE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION AND
15 WILL NOT GET THAT KIND OF OF AGREEMENT FROM THEM, NOR
16 WILL THEY ENFORCE IT, BUT TRYING TO HAVE THE GOVERNMENT
17 CLOSE AMERICA OFF FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD, SADLY, IS
18 NOT GOING TO WORK.
19 WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THAT PATH.
20 WE TRIED THAT IN 1929 WITH A TARIFF AND HELPED
21 PRECIPITATE ONE OF THE WORST DEPRESSIONS IN THIS
22 NATION’S HISTORY AND DESTROYED MILLIONS OF JOBS.
23 IN EUROPE TODAY, WELL-MEANING GOVERNMENTS HAVE PUT IN
24 THOSE KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS AN TRIED TO WALL THEIR
25 ECONOMIES OFF FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD.
26 WHAT HAPPENED?
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1 THEY HAVE DOUBLE DIGIT UNEMPLOYMENT.
2 IT IS NOT BEING COMPASSIONATE TO HAVE 30 PERCENT
3 UNEMPLOYMENT AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE AND DOUBLE DIGIT
4 UNEMPLOYMENT AMONG ADULTS AND NO FUTURE BECAUSE
5 HIGH-TECH KNOLL WITH JY CAN’T TAKE ROOT.
6 AMERICA’S STRENGTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN STAYING AHEAD OF THE
7 TECHNOLOGY CURVE, BEING PRODUCTIVE MORE THAN ANY OTHER
8 PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
9 THAT’S WHY WE HAVE THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING, AND
10 AS WE REDUCE TRADE BARRIERS, REDUCE TAXES HERE AT HOME,
11 REDUCE REGULATIONS, WE WILL HAVE CONTINUE TO HAVE THE
12 HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING, AND OTHERS WILL FOLLOW IN
13 OUR WEAK.
14 >> SENATOR McCAIN, A QUESTION FOR SENATOR HATCH.
15 >> THANKS FOR THE CHOICE.
16 >> THAT’S IT.
17 >> YOU’RE NEXT.
18 >> SENATOR McCAIN FOR HATCH.
19 >> TOO BAD YOU CAN’T ASK YOURSELF.
20 >> ORRIN, WE PASSED A BILL IN 1996 CALLED THE
21 TELECOMMUNICATIONS REFORM ACT.
22 I CITE ADD LOT WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR CAMPAIGN
23 FINANCE REFORM.
24 EVERY SPECIAL INTEREST PLAYED, ACCORDING TO THE
25 CONSUMERS UNION, THEY WILL TELL YOU EVERY
26 TELECOMMUNICATIONS COST HAS GONE UP WHETHER IT BE CABLE
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1 RATES, LONG DISTANCE RATES OR LOCAL PHONE RATES BECAUSE
2 THEY COULDN’T COMPETE BECAUSE EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE,
3 THE BIG GIVERS, THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS,
4 THE CONSUMER WAS LEFT OUT AND ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF
5 THIS, OF COURSE, THAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THIS CONTINUED
6 CONSOLIDATIONS AND MERGERS WITHIN THE
7 TELECOMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY OF A SIZE THAT WE HAVE
8 SELDOM SEEN, THE LATEST OF WHICH OF COURSE WE HEARD
9 ANNOUNCED TODAY, AMERICA ON-LINE WITH TIME WARNER, TWO
10 GIANTS, TWO GIANTS.
11 NOW, YOU ARE IN MY JURISDICTION OVER THAT AND YOURS IS
12 TO TAKE A LOOK AT THESE MERGERS AND CONSOLIDATIONS.
13 I DON’T KNOW IF IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG.
14 BUT I KNOW THAT IF WE LET THE SPECIAL INTERESTS PLAY
15 AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE A VOICE, WE WILL
16 SEE MORE AND MORE OF OF THESE MERGERS AND
17 CONSOLIDATIONS, SEE MORE AND MORE INCREASES IN THE
18 COSTS OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS TO THE AVERAGE SYSTEMS.
19 YOUR CABLE RATES HAVE GONE UP 28 PERCENT IS SINCE WE
20 PASSED THAT BILL.
21 WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF THE LATEST MERGER?
22 >> THE REAL QUESTION ON ANTI-TRUST IS WHETHER THE
23 MERGERS RESULT IN VALIDITY OF OF THE MERGED COMPANIES
24 TO BE PREDATORY, TO BE UNFAIR, TO NOT ACT IN THE BEST
25 INTERESTS OF CONSUMERS JUST TO MENTION A FEW THINGS
26 WITHOUT TAKING UP ALL MY TIME.
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1 I’M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS LATEST MERGER.
2 THESE ARE TWO OF THE LARGEST TELECOMMUNICATIONS
3 COMPANIES IN THE WORLD, IF NOT THE LARGEST.
4 AND I ARE HAVE TO SAY, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CONCERNED
5 ABOUT THAT, AND IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY.
6 BUT THAT RAISES ANOTHER ISSUE AND THAT IS CAMPAIN
7 FINANCE REFORM.
8 JOHN IS SUPPORTING A BILL, THAT IN THE OPINION OF
9 ALMOSTER ARE RY REPUBLICAN IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL THAT
10 WOULD LEAVE THE REPUBLICANS HIGH AND DRY.
11 ALMOST ALL DEMOCRATS SUPPORT IT.
12 HARDLY ANY REPUBLICANS SUPPORT IT, AND IT ISN’T HARD TO
13 HE SEE WHY.
14 LET ME JUST SAY THIS TO YOU: I’M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
15 THAT.
16 IN MY CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT, I’M RUNING A DIFFERENT
17 CAMPAIGN.
18 I BELIEVE IN DISCLOSURE, DISCLOSURE, DISCLOSURE.
19 I BELIEVE WE OUGHT TO DISCLOSE ON THE INTERNET WITHIN 2
20 WEEKS OF RECEIVING AND EXPENDITURES {WEX} HE OUGHT TO
21 RELEASE THE 25-YEAR-OLD LIMITS SO INDIVIDUALS CAN
22 PARTICIPATE AS EASILY AS PACS.
23 I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD GO THE ROAD SENATOR McCAIN
24 THINKS WE SHOULD GO.
25 I HAVE TO SAY THIS TO YOU.
26 IN MY CAMPAIGN, I SAID IF I GET A MILLION PEOPLE TO
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1 GIVE ME 36 DOLLARS, I WILL ARE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO WIN
2 THIS ELECTION.
3 JUST A MILLION PEOPLE.
4 THEN I WOULD HAVE AS MUCH AS GEORGE W.
5 BUSH.
6 I COMMEND HIM FOR HOW MUCH MONEY HE HAS RAISED BUT I
7 HAVE BEEN RAISING AND REFUSE TO TAKE TAXPAYER FUNDS IN
8 THIS PRIMARY SEASON EVEN THOUGH I QUALIFYED TO DO SO.
9 I DON’T THINK IT IS A CONSERVATIVE THING TO DO.
10 >> SENATOR, SENATOR.
11 >> GOVERNOR BUSH, YOU CAN CHOOSE ANY OF YOUR OPPONENTS
12 TO ASK A HE QUESTION.
13 >> I HAVE TO CHOOSE JOHN, DON’T I?
14 >> YOU DO DON’T HAVE TO.
15 >> I WILL CHOOSE HIM ANYWAY.
16 >> JOHN McCAIN.
17 >> YEAH, I THINK SO.
18 >> -- JOHN, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AN ISSUE IN
19 ARIZONA.
20 I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OUGHT TO HEAR IT AND I
21 THINK THE COUNTRY OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FEDERAL
22 GOVERNMENT IS DOING.
23 AS I UNDERSTAND, THE PRESIDENT HAS PROPOSED A MILLION
24 ACRES CALLED FEDERAL MONUMENT, THEY CALL IT A FEDERAL
25 MONUMENT.
26 IN ESSENCE WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
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1 IS BASICALLY TAKING A MILLION ACRES OF—AND PUTTING
2 IT INTO A FREEZE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
3 I KNOW YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CONSERVATION AND THE
4 ENVIRONMENT, BUT WOULD YOU COMMENT ABOUT JUST THE
5 ATTITUDE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. TODAY OF THIS
6 ADMINISTRATION AND HOW IT HAS HANDLED THE LANDS IN THE
7 WEST, AND PARTICULARLY THIS ACT BY THE PRESIDENT?
8 >> I GUESS I OWE YOU FOR THAT KIND QUESTION.
9 >> I ASK IT IT FOR A REASON.
10 WE DISAGREE ON ISSUES P BUT REPUBLICANS AGREE A LOT AND
11 THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
12 >> IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
13 I COME FROM THE MOST BEAUTIFUL STATE IN AMERICA, IN MY
14 VIEW.
15 THE FACT IS—
16 >> THERE IS ONE NORTH OF THERE!
17 >> DON’T COUNT THAT ON MY TIME.
18 IT’S NOT HIS JOB.
19 IN THE 19800S, MORRIS UDALL, A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT AND ONE
20 OF THE BEST GUYS WORKED TO PUT 15 MILLION ACRES IN
21 PERMANENT PRESERVATION STATUS T TOOK US YEARS TO DO IT.
22 WE DID IT THROUGH HEARINGS, MEETINGS AND FORMAL AND
23 INFORMAL MEETINGS, WORKING WITH NATIVE AMERICANS, THOSE
24 WHO LIVE ON THE LAND.
25 AFTER THREE YEARS, WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THREE AND A HALF
26 MILLION ACRES OF THAT LAND IN A PERMANENT PRESERVATION
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1 STATUS.
2 WE ARE PROUD OF OF THAT. IT WILL ALWAYS BE THERE AS IT
3 WAS WHEN THEODORE ROOSEVELT AND THE FIRST PIONEERS SAW
4 IT.
5 NOW THIS ADMINISTRATION WITH AN ARIZONA MAN AS
6 SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, HAS JUST SINGLELY, WITHOUT
7 CONSULTING ANYONE, NOT ONE PERSON IN ARIZONA WAS
8 CONSULTED.
9 THAT DECISION REACHES AS FAR AWAY AS NEW HAMPSHIRE AND
10 OTHER PLACES IN AMERICA.
11 THE WAY YOU GET THINGS DONE IS CONSULTATION WITH THE
12 PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK THERE WHO LOVE IT MORE THAN
13 ANY BUREAUCRAT WHO LIVES IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
14 I THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, GEORGE.
15 >> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
16 >> THESE ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE STUDENTS OF CALVIN
17 COLLEGE.
18 WE REQUEST THAT YOU KEEP YOUR ANSWERS TO 30 SECONDS SO
19 WE CAN GET MORE OF THE STUDENTS’ ANSWERED.
20 JOSHUA GABRIELLE IS A FRESHMAN HERE.
21 HE WANTS TO KNOW THE FOLLOWING: WILL YOU PROPOSE AND
22 AGREE NOT TO RUN ANY NEGATIVE ADS AGAINST EACH OTHER?
23 MR. FORBES?
24 >> THE ANSWER IS: NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE.
25 BEING NEGATIVE IS TELLING THE TRUTH, THEN I WILL
26 CONTINUE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
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1 PEOPLE DESERVE IT.
2 WE DESERVE AN HONEST AND OPEN AND VIGOROUS DEBATE AND
3 IF A MAN BREAKS A PLEDGE, THE VOTERS OUGHT TO KNOW IT.
4 >> GOVERNOR BUSH.
5 >> I WILL RUN POSITIVE ADS AN I’M DARN SURE NOT GOING
6 TO DO TO CANDIDATES WHAT THIS MAN DID TO BOB DOLE IN
7 1996.
8 >> YOU SAID THAT STEVE FORBES POLITICAL CLOCK IS
9 TICKING.
10 HE IS FEELING A SENSE OF GLOOM.
11 WHAT WERE YOU...
12 >> LISTEN, I CUT TAXES AS THE GOVERNOR.
13 THAT IS A FACT.
14 THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
15 THE PEOPLE OF MY STATE KNOW MY RECORD, AND THEY
16 ENDORSED IT WITH AN ELECTION.
17 AND YET IF YOU LOOK AT ADS, IT DOESN’T SAY THAT.
18 MY ONLY PROBLEM IS—LISTEN, I DON’T MIND DEBATES.
19 DOY MIND REPUBLICANS TEARING EACH OTHER DOWN.
20 THE MISSION IS TO PICK THE BEST PERSON SO WE CAN
21 CAPTURE THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE YEAR 2000.
22 MR. KEYS.
23 >> YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE BY MAKING
24 PLEDGES THAT ARE THEN BROKEN.
25 WE HE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT BEFORE, PARTICULARLY ON
26 TAXES.
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1 A PLEDGE MADE SHOULD BE A PLEDGE KEPT.
2 AND IN TEXAS, IT WAS YOUR OWN PARTY THAT SAVED YOU FROM
3 BREAKING THAT PLEDGE. YOU TRIED TO BREAK IT.
4 THEY BLOCKED YOU.
5 >> MR. McCAIN.
6 >> I WOULD LIKE TO SHAKE HANDS RIGHT NOW.
7 >> McCAIN AND BUSH AGREED NOT TO RUN NEGATIVE ADS.
8 >> MR. KEYS.
9 >> I THINK WHEN WE GET BEYOND THE CHEAP PLOYS, WE OUGHT
10 TO CONSIDER THAT IN A COURT OF OF LAW, IF THE
11 PROSECUTION PRESENTS ITS CASE AND THE DEFENSE DOESN’T
12 BOTHER, YOU DON’T GET TO THE TRUTH.
13 SOME PEOPLE WANT TO PRETEND THAT WE DON’T HAVE AN
14 ADVERSARIAL POLITICAL SYSTEM, BUT WE DO.
15 AND THEREFORE, IF THE FOLKS WHO ARE RUNNING AGAINST
16 EACH OTHER DON’T IN AN HONEST, CLEAR WAY SPEAK ABOUT
17 THE DIFFERENCES ON ISSUES, AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO RUNG
18 ON YOUR RECORD, THIS HE GET TO SPEAK ABOUT YOUR RECORD,
19 AND IT IS GOING TO BE THEIR INTERPRETATION OF YOUR
20 RECORD, NOT YOUR OWN.
21 THAT IS NOT NEGATIVE ADVERTISING.
22 THAT IS SHARING WITH PEOPLE YOUR VIEWS AND THE TRUTH
23 AND THEY’RE NOT GOING TO GET AT IT ANY OTHER WAY, AND
24 SO IF WE ARE HONEST WITH OURSELVES, WE NOT ONLY HAVE TO
25 TOLERATE IT BUT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT VIEWPOINT AND
26 EXCHANGE SO THE VIEWERS GET THE MAXIMUM INFORMATION ON
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1 WHICH TO BASE THEIR DECISIONS.
2 >> SENATOR HATCH, NEGATIVE ADS?
3 >> WITH MY LOW-{BUJS}ETTE CAMPAIGN, I’M NOT GOING TO
4 PUT ANY NEGATIVE {AFD}S ON.
5 >> THANK YOU.
6 WAIT, WAIT, I’M NOT FINISHED.
7 >> AND I’M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF OF TIME HERE.
8 FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT THESE 15-SECOND, 30-SECOND
9 SPOTS ARE BS.
10 I SHOULDN’T USE THAT.
11 BUT THAT IS THE BEST I COULD CALL IT.
12 FRANKLY, WE HAVEN’T HAD A SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE AND WE ARE
13 TALKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
14 STATES.
15 THESE ARE THE BEST YOU CAN DO?
16 AND I THINK THESE FOLKS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB THIS
17 EVENING BUT IT ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH.
18 WHAT I HAVE DONE IS I HAVE CUT A 28-MINUTE SPEECH OR A
19 FIRESIDE CHAT, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION
20 AND I HAVEN’T GOTTEN INTO ANY OF THE SEXUAL
21 PROCLIVITYS.
22 I HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHY THIS ADMINISTRATION IS PERHAPS
23 THE MOST DECEITFUL AND CORRUPT IN HISTORY AND IN IOWA
24 AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND EVERYONE, HOPEFULLY IF YOU WILL
25 SUPPORT ME AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BUT THAT’S WHAT I’M
26 GOING TO DO.
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1 IT IS GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIVE AND IT CERTAINLY IS NOT
2 GOING TO FIND ANY FAULT WITH ANY OF OF THESE FINE
3 FELLOWS HERE.
4 >> MR. BOWER, NEGATIVE ADS?
5 >> TIM, I HAVE GONE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND I HAVE MET
6 COUNTLESS YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE TURNED OFF ABOUT
7 POLITICS, AN SO ARE THEIR PARENTS.
8 THEY’VE TUNED OUT.
9 THEY DON’T LISTEN TO US.
10 THEY DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF US.
11 ONE THING TO DO IS HAVE REAL DEBATES POINTING OUT REAL
12 ISSUES LIKE CHINA AND THE SANCTITY OF LIFE. THERE ARE
13 DIFFERENCES OUT THERE, BUT WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT
14 ENGAGING IN THE TRASH CAN POLITICS AND THE CHARACTER
15 ASSASSINATION THAT HAS MARKED TOO MUCH OF AMERICAN
16 POLITICS FOR TOO LONG.
17 >> GOVERNOR BUSH, A QUESTION FROM DAVE DIKE HOUSE, A
18 SOPHOMORE HERE.
19 IF YOU WERE ELECTED TO OFFICES, WHAT DEGREE WOULD YOUR
20 RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS INFLUENCE THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU
21 CONDUCT AFFAIRS IN THE OVAL OFFICE?
22 >> IN HOW I KEEP THE OATH OF OFFICE AND THE OATH I
23 TAKE.
24 MY RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS NEED TO BE REFLECTED IN HOW I
25 LIVE MY LIFE.
26 >> FOLLOW-UP.
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1 YOU HAVE PUT TO DEATH 111 MEN AND ONE WOMAN WITH THE
2 DEATH PENALTY.
3 >> THE STATE OF OF TEXAS PUT THEM TO DEATH.
4 >> WHAT IF YOU WERE WRONG IN ANY OF THOSE INSTANCES AND
5 WHAT WOULD JESUS THINK OF THE DEATH PENALTY.
6 >> I {VNTSZ} BEEN WRONG IN ANY INSTANCE.
7 EVERYONE HAS HAD ACCESS TO THE COURTS. I DON’T BELIEVE
8 WE HAVE EXECUTED AN INNOCENT PERSON IN OUR STATE.
9 I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT SAVES
10 LIVES.
11 I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY IF WE ADMINISTER THE
12 JUDGMENT IN A SURE AND SWIFT WAY THAT IS FULL OF
13 JUSTICE.
14 I BELIEVE IT CREATES A SOCIETY THAT SAYS I’M NOT GOING
15 TO GO KILL SOMEBODY.
16 I BELIEVE IT PROTECTS INNOCENT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE DEATH
17 PENALTY.
18 >> AND WHAT WOULD JESUS THINK OF THE DEATH PENALTY?
19 >> LISTEN, I’M A LOWLY SINNER, I’M NOT GOING TO PUT
20 WORDS IN JESUS’ MOUTH.
21 AWAIT A MINUTE, YOU DON’T HAVE TO.
22 EXCUSE ME.
23 EXCUSE ME.
24 >> MR. KEYS, PLEASE.
25 >> FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON’T HAVE TO PUT WORDS IN JESUS’
26 MOUTH BECAUSE IF WE STUDIED HIS EXAMPLE, WE KNOW HOW
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1 JESUS RESPONDED TO THE DEATH PENALTY.
2 WHEN ONE SHES PIE LAT STOOD BEFORE GEE US AND SAID I
3 HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PUT YOU TO DEATH, WHAT DID JESUS
4 SAY?
5 HE DIDN’T SAY NO, YOU DON’T, I’M AN INNOCENT MAN.
6 HE COULD HAVE.
7 HE {EFRS} THE MOST INNOCENT WHO HAD EVER LIVED.
8 WHAT DID HE SAY INSTEAD?
9 HE BASICALLY SAID ANY AUTHORITY YOU HAVE, HE SAYS COMES
10 TO YOU FROM THE FATHER.
11 DENOT DENY THE AUTHORITY.
12 HE SIMPLY SOURCED IT.
13 I THINK WE BETTER THINK ABOUT THAT HE WHEN WE ASK THE
14 QUESTION WHAT WOULD JESUS DO AND WE ALSO NEED TO THINK
15 ABOUT THIS: THE QUESTION OF GOD IN AMERICAN LIFE IS
16 NOT A QUESTION OF MY PERSONAL FEELING OR GEORGE BUSH’S
17 PERSONAL FEELING.
18 IT IS A SIMPLE FACT THAT IN OUR GREAT DECLARATION, WE
19 ARE TOLD THAT OUR RIGHTS COME FROM THE CREATOR, GOD.
20 HOW ON EARTH ARE WE TO MAINTAIN INSTITUTIONS SOURCED IN
21 THAT AUTHORITY IF WE DENY THAT AUTHORITY?
22 >> NEXT QUESTION IS FROM RACHEL BOSCHER.
23 (APPLAUSE)
24 SHE IS A FRESHMAN, PSYCHOLOGY MAJOR.
25 SENATOR McCAIN: IN SPITE OF THE MORAL CRISIS THAT HAS
26 OCCURRED IN THE PRESIDENCY, THE U.S. ECONOMY CONTINUES
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1 TO FLOURISH.
2 DOW REALLY BELIEVE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEXT PRESIDENT
3 WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE U.S. ECONOMY?
4 >> I THINK THE CHARACTER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
5 STATES HAS AN IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF AMERICANS BECAUSE
6 THE IMPORTANT JOB OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
7 IS TO LEAD AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY HAVE TO HAVE
8 CONFIDENCE IN THAT LEADERSHIP.
9 THE JOB OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AS I SEE
10 IT, IS TO INSPIRE YOUNG AMERICANS TO COMMIT THEM SELVES
11 TO CAUSES GREATER THAN THEIR SELF-INTEREST.
12 AND I’M CONVINCED THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEEK SOMEONE
13 WHO DOESN’T SIN, WHO TELLS THEM THE TRUTH, WHETHER IT
14 HAPPENS TO BE WHAT THEY LIKE TO HEAR, OR WHAT THEY WANT
15 TO HEAR, AND ON MANY OCCASIONS, WHAT THEY DON’T WANT TO
16 HEAR, AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS
17 COUNTRY WANT SOMEBODY THAT THEY CAN TRUST IN THAT
18 FASHION.
19 >> MR. BOWER.
20 IF THE PRESIDENT HAS A 60 PERCENT APPROVAL, EVEN THOUGH
21 60 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE DON’T RESPECT HIM AS A PERSON,
22 IT PLAYS OFF OF BOSCHER’S QUESTION, WHILE THE ECONOMY
23 IS ROARING, ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO EXCUSE OR LOOK THE
24 OTHER WAY OR NOT CONSIDER CHARACTER IN THE OVAL OFFICE
25 IMPORTANT?
26 >> TIM, I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, UNFORTUNATELY ARE
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1 CONFUSED ABOUT THIS.
2 THEY ARE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO MEASURE THE PERFORMANCE OF A
3 GOVERNMENT OR OF A PRESIDENT BY THEIR POCKETBOOKS.
4 AND QUITE FRANKLY, EVEN THE MEDIA SENDS THAT SAME
5 MESSAGE.
6 BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE CORE ALMOST ALL
7 OF THE MAJOR ISSUES FACING OUR COUNTRY ARE MORAL.
8 RACIAL RECONCILIATION.
9 REBUILDING THE AMERICAN FAMILY.
10 PRESERVING MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
11 FINDING ANOTHER PLACE AT THE TABLE.
12 THIS ONE FOR UNBORN CHILDREN.
13 THOSE ARE ALL MORAL QUESTIONS AND ULTIMATELY IT WON’T
14 MATTER HOW HIGH OUR STOCKS ARE.
15 IT WILL MATTER HOW STRONG OUR VIRTUE IS.
16 >> NEXT QUESTION FROM FRESHMAN MELISSA KEELY.
17 MR. FORBES, WHAT IS YOUR STANCE IN REGARDS TO FURTHER
18 AMERICAN ACTION TAKEN FOR HUMANITARIAN CAUSES SUCH AS
19 SOMOLIA?
20 >> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN
21 SOMOLIA, AND PRESIDENT CLINTON TRIED TO REMAKE THAT
22 SOCIETY.
23 THE LIMITATIONS OF OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
24 WE CAN PROVIDE FOOD.
25 WE CAN PROVIDE MEDICINE.
26 WE CAN PROVIDE HELP FOR THOSE WHO ARE VICTIMS OF OF
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1 DISASTER.
2 BUT THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT THAN TRYING TO REMAKE A
3 SOCIETY OR SENDING IN TROOPS TO REMAKE A SOCIETY AS WE
4 TRIED TO DO IN HAITI, FIRST IN 1915, AND THEN AGAIN THE
5 CLINTON-GORE ADMINISTRATION.
6 IT DOESN’T WORK.
7 DON’T CONFUSE GIVING MONEY TO CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS OR
8 GOVERNMENTS THAT BECOME CORRUPT BECAUSE OF THAT MONEY
9 WITH TRUE HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE.
10 DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, NOT THROUGH GOVERNMENT
11 BUREAUCRACIES.
12 >> MR. HE KEYS AND MR. HATCH, IF YOU COULD TAKE 30
13 SECONDS EACH ON THIS.
14 THE PROBLEM OF INTERTHE CITY CHILDREN.
15 THIS IS KRISTYTOWNS, A SOPHOMORE.
16 HOW DO WE DEAL WITH AT RISK CHILDREN AND WHAT DO WE DO
17 TO PREVENT SITUATIONS LIKE DETROIT WHERE THREE OUT OF
18 OFER ARE RY FOUR CHILDREN BORN IN DETROIT ARE BORN TO
19 AN UNWED MOTHER?
20 >> I THINK THE BEST THING WE CAN DO THERE AND ACTUALLY
21 IT GETS BACK TO ANOTHER POINT.
22 WOO HE NEED TO ENCOURAGE MARRIAGE.
23 WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WILLING TO TAKE
24 ON THEIR PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND WE NEED TO WRITE
25 INTO OUR POLICIES AND LAWS APPROACHES THAT WILL WORK
26 WITH FOLKS WHO RESPECT THE MARRIAGE INSTITUTION AND
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1 OPPOSE THOSE WHO WANT TO DESTROY INSTITUTIONS OF
2 MARRIAGE BY ENCOURAGING THE RADICAL GAY AGENDA AND
3 OTHER THINGS.
4 IT ALSO SHOCKED ME A LITTLE BIT WHEN GARY SAID HE
5 DIDN’T CARE ABOUT THE FEELINGS IN THE CASE OF ELIAN
6 GONZALES. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF WE DON’T STOP
7 TELLING FATHERS THAT WE CARE ABOUT THEIR HEARTS AND
8 THEIR FEELINGS AND THAT THEY DO ARE HAVE A PERMANENT
9 ROLE IN THE LIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN.
10 HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THEM TO MEET THEIR
11 RESPONSIBILITIES?
12 I ARE HAVE TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND I THINK WHEN WE
13 START DOING THOSE THINGS WE WILL MOVE IN THE RIGHT
14 DIRECTION IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT MARRIAGE IS
15 STRONG ARN AND THAT CHILDREN ARE BORN TO TWO PARENTS
16 WHO STAY TOGETHER.
17 >> SENATOR HATCH, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR ONE
18 FROM JEFF APPLE.
19 YOU ARE AT A COLLEGE CAMPUS.
20 WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT THE RISING COSTS OF TU {ILGS}
21 ITION IN COLLEGES ACROSS AMERICA?
22 YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS, SENATOR.
23 >> NUMBER ONE, WITH REGARD TO THE CHILDREN IN THE INNER
24 CITIES, I WOULD GET RID OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ONCE
25 AND FOR ALL.
26 I WOULD SET AN EXAMPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AN EXAMPLE
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1 OF A FATHER WHO HAS SIX CHILDREN AND 19 GRANDCHILDREN
2 AND A WONDERFUL WIFE AND HAVE BEEN MARRIED 42 YEARS,
3 WELL INTO OUR 43RD YEAR.
4 WITH REGARD TO LOWERING TUITION, I WOULD SURE AS HECK
5 GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF EDUCATION AS MUCH AS I COULD,
6 BECAUSE IT IS WRECKING EDUCATION, AND ESPECIALLY THE
7 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
8 THE STATE GOVERNMENTS CAN HANDLE IT.
9 STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING IN
10 EDUCATION, EXCEPT FOR SOME VERY SELECTIVE AREAS LIKE
11 CIVIL RIGHTS, WHICH I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
12 TO ENFORCE.
13 >> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
14 >> CLOSING STATEMENTS, WE ASK EACH OF THE CANDIDATES TO
15 LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO 80 SECONDS, SO EACH OF OF THEM
16 HAVE AN EQUAL TIME TO SPEAK.
17 GARY BOWER IS FIRST.
18 >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: DO YOU EVER GET UP IN THE
19 MORNING AND OPEN UP THE NEWSPAPER AND NOT RECOGNIZE
20 YOUR COUNTRY?
21 EVERY DAY, THERE IS MORE STORIES, NEWBORN BABIES THROWN
22 IN THE TRASH CANS.
23 KIDS KILLING KIDS.
24 UNBELIEVEABLE RACIAL HATRED IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING WE
25 HAVE DONE TO TRY TO BRING THE RACES TOGETHER.
26 FOR 30 YEARS, AMERICA HAS BEEN REMADE RIGHT IN FRONT OF
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1 OF YOUR EYES.
2 GO BACK TO THE ‘60S, I REMEMBER THE FIRST HEADLINE IN
3 HIGH SCHOOL, SUPREME COURT OUTLAWS SCHOOL PRAYER.
4 WE WERE ALL JUST SUPPOSED TO SWALLOW HARD AND ACCEPT
5 IT, AND IN THE ‘70S, WE OPENED UP THE PAPER AND
6 SUDDENLY THE COURT FOUND A RIGHT TO ABORT OUR CHILDREN
7 IN ALL NINE MONTHS OF PREGNANCY,ER ARE RY STATE LAW IN
8 THE NATION STRUCK DOWN OVERNIGHT.
9 SOON, YOU WILL OPEN UNTHE PAPER.
10 IT HAS ALREADY STARTED IN VERMONT, THE COURT WILL ARE
11 HAVE RULED THAT MEN CAN MARRY MEN AND WOMEN CAN MARRY
12 WOMEN.
13 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE MUST STAND UP TO THE CRISIS IN
14 AMERICA ON OUR VALUES.
15 I WILL LOWER TAXES, PROBABLY ALL OF OF US WILL.
16 I WILL REBUILD THE MILITARY.
17 I THINK EVERY ONE OF US WILL.
18 BUT I DON’T BELIEVE EVERYBODY UP HERE IS COMMITTED TO
19 DEFENDING RELIABLE STANDARDS OF RIGHT AND WRONG,
20 REBUILDING AMERICA AS A SHINING CITY UPON A HILL.
21 I WILL DO THAT AS PRESIDENT ANDLY BE PROUD TO HAVE YOUR
22 SUPPORT.
23 >> SENATOR McCAIN.
24 >> I WANT TO THANK YOU, TIM, AND OUR OTHER MEDIA PEOPLE
25 AND ALL OF OF YOU.
26 THIS HAS BEEN A HE VERY, I THINK, HELPFUL DEBATE
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1 TONIGHT IN THIS PROCESS.
2 I AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE
3 I WANT TO REFORM GOVERNMENT.
4 I WANT TO REFORM THE MILITARY.
5 I WANT TO REFORM EDUCATION AND GET IT OUT OF THE HANDS
6 OF THE LABOR BOSSES.
7 I TO REFORM THE TAX CODE, WHICH IS 44,000 PAGES LONG,
8 WHICH IS A NIGHTMARE FOR AVERAGE CITIZENS, BECAUSE OF
9 THE INFLUENCE OF THE SPECIAL INTERESTS THAT CARVE OUT A
10 GOOD DEAL IN A LOOPHOLE.
11 I WANT TO REFORM THE WAY THAT WE FINANCE CAMPAIGNS,
12 BECAUSE YOUNG AMERICANS CAN NO LONGER PARTICIPATE IN
13 THE POLITICAL PROCESS BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER
14 REPRESENTED.
15 THE SCANDAL IN WASHINGTON, BESIDES MONICA LEWINSKY WAS
16 THE DEBASEMENT OF EVERY INSTITUTION OF GOVERNMENT BY
17 THE CLINTON-GORE CAMPAIGN IN 1996.
18 THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TOOK THE LINCOLN
19 BEDROOM, TREATED IT LIKE MOTEL 6 AND HE WAS THE
20 BELLHOP.
21 AND, MY FRIENDS, I WANT TO MAKE THAT ILLEGAL SO IT
22 NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN, AND I WANT MY COLLEAGUES TO MAKE
23 IT ILLEGAL AS WELL.
24 ONCE I DO THAT, ONCE I DO THAT, THEN I WILL HAVE THE
25 ABILITY TO INSPIRE YOUNG AMERICANS TO COMMIT THEMSELVES
26 TO CAUSES {GRATSZ}ER THAN THEIR SELVES.
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1 THAT IS WHAT GREAT PRESIDENTS IN OUR HISTORY HAVE BEEN
2 ABLE TO DO AND THAT’S WHAT YOUNG AMERICANS NEED TODAY.
3 I THANK YOU.
4 >> GOVERNOR GEORGE BUSH.
5 >> I WANT TO THANK THE SPONSORS OF THIS DEBATE.
6 I AM MOST APPRECIATIVE OF THE TIME I AM ABLE TO SHARE
7 WITH YOU WHAT’S IN MY HEART AND I WANT TO THANK SENATOR
8 ABRAM, I WANT TO THANK GOVERNOR ENGLER AND ALL MY
9 SUPPORTERS IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.
10 I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING MY CAMPAIGN TO YOUR
11 STATE.
12 I AM THE ONE ON STAGE WHO HAS HAD EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE
13 WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT.
14 I KNOW HOW TO SET AGENDAS.
15 I KNOW HOW TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE AGENDAS.
16 SHOULD I WIN AS PRESIDENT, I WILL MAKE SURE OUR ECONOMY
17 CONTINUES TO {FWRO} BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THE CRIES OF
18 OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF POVERTY, I WANT
19 TO KNOCK DOWN THE TOLL BOOTHS OF THE MIDDLE CLASS . I
20 WILL FOCUS ON PUBLIC EDUCATION TO MAYBE SURE EVERY
21 CHILD GETS EDUCATED AND NO CHILD IS LEFT BEHIND AND I
22 WILL WORK TO SAVE AND STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY.
23 DURING THIS CAMPAIGN, I’M GOING TO RUN A POSITIVE
24 CAMPAIGN, ONE THAT REACHES OUT TO NEW FACES AN NEW
25 VOICES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
26 I WANT TO LIFT THE SPIRIT OF AMERICA SO THIS GREAT
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1 COUNTRY CAN ACHIEVE ANY OBJECTIVE THAT WE SET OUR MIND
2 TO.
3 I’M HERE TO IS ASK FOR THE VOTE.
4 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
5 GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
6 >> STEVE FORBES.
7 >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.
8 AMERICA TODAY IS ON THE CUSP OF WHAT SHOULD BE ONE OF
9 THE MOST FABULOUS ERAS IN HUMAN HISTORY.
10 IT IS WITHIN OUR GRASP.
11 WE ARE HAVE AN ERA OF SPIRITUAL RENEWAL HERE AT HOME,
12 OF OF GREAT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
13 BUT AS YOU KNOW FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES IN YOUR OWN
14 LIVES, WHETHER IT’S RAISING A FAMILY, RUNNING A
15 BUSINESS, DOING YOUR CIVIC ACTIVITIES, IF OPPORTUNITIES
16 ARE THERE, YOU DON’T WORK AT THEM, THEY DON’T HAPPEN.
17 I’M AN OUTSIDER.
18 I’M AN INDEPENDENT CON HE SERVE TIVE OUTSIDER.
19 I’M AGGRESSIVE.
20 I’M HONEST.
21 I PUT FORTH BOLD PROPOSALS TO ENABLE AMERICA, IN THE
22 WORDS OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, TO EXPERIENCE A NEW BIRTH OF
23 FREEDOM.
24 THE FREEDOM TO BE BORN.
25 THE FREEDOM FROM FEAR OF THE IRS.
26 THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN SCHOOLS RATHER THAN
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1 BUREAUCRACIES.
2 THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN DOCTORS.
3 THE FREEDOM TO BE IN CHARGE OF YOUR OWN SOCIAL SECURITY
4 TAXES INSTEAD OF THE GRASPING POLITICIANS IN
5 WASHINGTON, D.C.
6 THE FREEDOM TO BE SAFE AND SECURE IN THIS WORL, WHICH
7 MEANS BUILDING UP AND NOT RUNNING DOWN OUR MILITARY,
8 AND KEEPING FAITH WITH OUR VETERANS, PARTICULARLY
9 CONCERNING THEIR HEALTH CARE BENEFITS, BUT I CAN’T DO
10 IT ALONE.
11 I’M AN OUTSIDER.
12 I NEED YOUR HELP, YOUR VOTES, YOUR SUPPORT, YOUR
13 PRAYERS.
14 TOGETHER, WE CAN DO GREAT THINGS FOR OUR COUNTRY AND HE
15 SHOW THE WORLD WHAT A FREE, VIBRANT AND MORAL PEOPLE
16 CAN ACHIEVE.
17 >> ALLAN KEYS.
18 >> IT SOMETHING IN THE CAMPAIGN DRIVES HOME THE POINT
19 THAT WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ABSTRACTIONS.
20 THE OTHER DAY I GOT A CALL FROM A FATHER, THOMAS
21 NOVARRO, THE FATHER OF A FOUR-YEAR-OLD SON DYING OF
22 BRAIN CANCER AND HE WAS TRYING IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO
23 GET DECENT TREATMENT FOR HIS SON’S BRAIN CANCER AND THE
24 FDA HAS REFUSED TO ALLOW HIM TO DO WHAT HE THINKS IS
25 BEST.
26 THEY PLACED THE BOWL MATTER ON CLINICAL HOLD WHILE HIS
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1 SON DIES.
2 I HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER TO DONNA SHALALA, THE KEY TO
3 MEDICINE SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE RIGHT OF OF AMERICAN
4 CITIZENS TO SEEK THE MEDICAL CARE OF THEIR CHOICE
5 WITHOUT GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACIES STANDING IN THE WAY.
6 I THINK THIS CASE ILLUSTRATES THE HEART AND SOUL OF OF
7 REPUBLICANISM AND OF THE RIGHT AMERICAN APPROACH.
8 RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MAKE
9 RESPONSIBLEIBLE CHOICES.
10 THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE GOVERNMENT STANDING IN THE
11 WAY.
12 I WANT TO APPEAL TO MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN WITH ME IN
13 SIGNING THIS LETTER TO DONNA SHALALA TO SEE IF WE CAN
14 HELP THIS FAMILY AND YOUNG MAN.
15 THERE IS A WAY OF ILLUSTRATING THE FACT THAT, FOR
16 REPUBLICANS, THIS ISN’T JUST A DEBATE OVER
17 ABSTRACTIONS.
18 IT IS A DEBATE OVER HOW WE CAN RESTORE TO THE AMERICAN
19 PEOPLE THOSE LIBERTIES AND THAT SENSE OF OF
20 RESPONSIBILITY WHICH WILL NOT ONLY SAVE THE LIFE OF
21 THIS CHILD, BUT SAVE THE LIFE AND THE FUTURE OF OUR
22 COUNTRY.
23 >> SENATOR ORRIN HATCH.
24 >> LOOK, THERE ARE VERY THIN DISSTINGSS AMONG ALL OF
25 US.
26 WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE TAX CUTTERS.
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1 WE ARE ALL GOING TO TRY TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY AND
2 MEDICARE.
3 WE ARE ALL GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SAFE SCHOOLS.
4 WE ARE ALL GOING TO TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN AGAINST CRIME
5 AND DRUGS.
6 BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS REALLY BOTHERING THE AMERICAN
7 PEOPLE?
8 THEY’RE SCARED TO DEATH.
9 THEY’RE AFRAID IN THEIR HOMES.
10 THEY HAVE TO LOCK THEIR DOORS.
11 THEY ARE AFRAID TO HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL.
12 THEY ARE AFRAID IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
13 THE THREE BIGGEST THREATS TO AMERICA NOW THAT THERE IS
14 NO LONGER A BIPOLAR CONFRONTATION WITH THE SOVIET UNION
15 ARE INTERNATIONAL DOMESTIC TERRORISM, INTERNATIONAL
16 DOMESTIC ORGANIZED CRIME. INTERNATIONAL DOMESTIC
17 NARCOTICS.
18 NOW, LET ME TELL YOU IS SOMETHING, I HAVE DONE MISSIONS
19 FOR RONALD REAGAN, AND THEY WERE IMPORTANT.
20 I MIGHT ADD THAT I HAVE—I WAS THE FIRST TO TELL
21 PRESIDENT CLINTON BACK IN 1996, AND IT WAS ON "MEET THE
22 PRESS" I TOLD HIM YOU BETTER WATCH BIN LADEN BECAUSE HE
23 IS GOING TO KILL AMERICANS.
24 HE DIDN’T UNTIL HE DID.
25 I ARE HAVE SERVED ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TWICE.
26 I ONLY KNOW ONE OTHER PERSON WHO HAS DONE IT.
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1 HIS NAME IS BILL COHEN, IS SECRETARY OF OF DEFENSE. WE
2 NEED SOMEBODY WITH EXPERIENCE THAT IS PROVEN.
3 WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO ISN’T JUST TALKING ABOUT DOING
4 THINGS BUT WHO HAS DONE IT.
5 I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN THERE.
6 I’VE DONE IT, AND I’D BE A GOOD PRESIDENT.
7 I THINK ALL OF THESE OTHERS WOULD, TOO.
8 >> SENATOR HATCH, WE THANK YOU.
9 YOU WERE SO DISCIPLINED AND SO WELL ORGANIZED, WE
10 ACTUALLY HAVE A MINUTE LEFT.
11 MODERATOR’S PREROGATIVE.
12 I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A SERIOUS QUESTION.
13 AMERICA HAS JUST BEGUN THE 21ST CENTURY.
14 IF YOU COULD SELECT TWO ITEMS TO PUT IN A TIME CAPSULE
15 THAT BEST REPRESENTS AMERICA IN THE 21ST CENTURY, GARY
16 BOWER, WHAT WOULD THEY BE?
17 >> SURE YOU DON’T WANT TO START AT THAT END?
18 >> YOU’RE ON.
19 >> THE FIRST THING THAT OUGHT TO BE PUT IN THE TIME
20 CAPSULE, WHATEVER THE IS CENTURY IS THE DECLARATION OF
21 THE INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE OF THE WORDS, ALL MEN CREATED
22 EQUAL, ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR...
23 >> AND WHAT ELSE?
24 >> AND THE PURSUIT OF OF HAPPINESS.
25 >> JOHN McCAIN.
26 >> ALONG WITH THOSE PERHAPS, EINSTEIN’S THEORY OF
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1 RELATIVITY, PERHAPS.
2 >> GOVERNOR BUSH.
3 >> HOW ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER’S KING’S SPEECH TO SHOW THE
4 HEART OF AMERICA AND THE MILK CROW CHIP TO SHOW THE
5 ENTREPRENEURAL SPIRIT OF THE COUNTRY.
6 >> STEVE FORBES?
7 >> IN ADDITION TO THE DECK A LA RATION OF THE CON
8 {STUPGS}, I WOULD HAVE A GRAIN OF SAND, BECAUSE THAT IS
9 THE BASIS OF SILICON, THE WHOLE INFORMATION AGE.
10 IT SHOWS WHAT A FREE PEOPLE CAN ACHIEVE, AND ONLY A
11 FREE PEOPLE CAN ACHIEVE RIGHTING {BHOLDZ} WORLDS ON
12 GRAINS OF SAND.
13 A TRUE SYMBOL OF AMERICAN INVENTIVENESS.
14 >> ALLAN KEYS.
15 >> I THINK THE LEK LA RATION AND THE CONSTITUTION ARE
16 GOOD, BUT MAKE WE COULD SUMMARIZE THE POINT OF ALL OF
17 THEM BY REMEMBERING WHAT THEY MADE POSSIBLE, AND JUST
18 THROW IN A COUPLE OF BALLOTS TO REPRESENT WHAT MAKES
19 THIS SYSTEM WORK.
20 >> AND WHOSE NAME WOULD BE ON THAT BALLOT?
21 >> ORRIN HATCH.
22 >> WELL, MINE, OF COURSE!
23 THAT IS, IF EVERYBODY IS SMART OUT THERE, I’LL TELL
24 YOU!
25 I THINK THESE FELLOWS HAVE SUMMED IT UP WELL.
26 I WOULD PUT THE CONSTITUTION IN THERE AND THE
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1 DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND A PICTURE OF OF DIVERSE
2 FAMILIES IN AMERICA TO SHOW THAT WE ARE A COUNTRY OF OF
3 A WIDE DIVERSITY OF PEOPLE AND WE’RE THE GREATEST
4 COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND IT IS GOING TO BE EVEN GREATER
5 IN THIS CENTURY.
6 >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CANDIDATES FOR THEIR
7 ANSWERS.
8 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FROM WOOD TV 8 FOR
9 THEIR QUESTIONS.
10 WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR SPONSORS AND WONDERFUL HOSTS
11 OF CALVIN COLLEGE.
12 VOTERS OF MICHIGAN, FEBRUARY 22ND IS YOUR PRIMARY.
13 IT IS NOW UP TO YOU TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.
14 THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT.
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